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Swiss motorboat licence, is it accepted in Croatia?

Swiss motorboat licence, is it accepted in Croatia?
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Re: Swiss motorboat licence, is it accepted in Croatia?

Is it valid for open waters?
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Old 30.03.2021, 22:35
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Re: Swiss motorboat licence, is it accepted in Croatia?

If this site is giving proper information
https://www.yacht-rent.hr/najam-plov...perske-dozvole

Then firt part it says
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Za najam plovila bez posade u Hrvatskoj potrebno je imati važeću dozvolu za upravljanje plovilom i dozvolu za rukovanje radijskom postajom (VHF certifikat) prema hrvatskom zakonu. Popis prihvaćenih dozvola u Hrvatskoj možete pronaći – ovdje. Ako ne posjedujete potrebne dozvole, u Hrvatskoj možete polagati ispit za voditelja plovila, ili unajmiti skipera tijekom najma plovila. Skiperi su profesionalci i oni posjeduju sve potrebne dozvole.
Roughly translated, if it's on that list, it's accepted, if it's not, you have to do the test in Croatia or rent a skipper.

It has to be both licence to 'ride a boat' and 'ride a radio' (please substitute ride for appropriate verb).

for all of them it says this
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ovlaštene su upravljati odnosno zapovijedati:
-brodicama za osobne potrebe;
-brodicama koje se iznajmljuju bez posade;
-jahtama za osobne potrebe do 500 BT;
-jahtama koje se iznajmljuju bez posade do 500 BT,
obuhvaća plovidbu bez ograničenja područja plovidbe, uz uvjet
posjedovanja odgovarajućeg domaćeg ili stranog uvjerenja za obavljanje
poslova radijske službe ako brodica ili jahta ima ugrađenu radio-telefonsku
VHF postaju ili GMDSS-VHF postaju.
roughly said,
- (small) ship for private use
- (small) ship without crew
- yacht for private use up to 500BT (this number varies by licence)
- yacht without crew up to 500 BT

and bold part is that you need to have a licence to use VHF radio if ship has it

And accepted are:

- Institut für Hochseenavigation Schweiz - Fähigkeitsausweis zum Führen von Sport-und Vergnügungsschiffen auf See bis 300 BRT
- Luft und Seefahrtschule - Führerausweis für Yachten auf See B
- Segelschule Rorschach Schweiz - Führerausweis A; B; C
- Cruising Club der Schweiz-CCS - Fähigkeitsausweis B (Certificate of competence B);
Führerausweis für Yachten auf See (Yacht master's certificate); International Certificate for Operators of Pleasure Craft/Certificat international de conducteur de bateau de plaisance
- Swiss Yachting Association (SYA) - International Certificate for Operators of Pleasure Craft, Swiss Certificate of Competence for Ocean Yachting


If you don't have any of those, then point 2 - you need to do the test in the nearest "lučka kapetanija" https://mmpi.gov.hr/more-86/lucke-kapetanije-102/102 and licence is issued at the same day mostly

However, I highly doubt it could be done in English...

That being said, if you have the licence but you've never sailed at the sea, be aware that Jadran has some really weird spots and weather can change a lot very fast which can be dangerous and deadly for the inexperienced people in small ships, so I'd recommend talking with locals a lot about tips for the area of interest (but also, that could be a problem, because of the language, you'd probably score better with italian than english, depending on the region). One such tricky spot is Canal in front of Novi Vinodolski and that area. I think folks in Istria/Poreč also mentioned 'funny' weather, forgot where exactly.
In short, I'd book a skipper and learn from them
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Re: Swiss motorboat licence, is it accepted in Croatia?

As I understand it, Swiss Kat A (lakes) not enough. You need "Küstenschein" at least.
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Re: Swiss motorboat licence, is it accepted in Croatia?

I just had a chat with Port Authority of RIJEKA and the lady said:

If on the Swiss licence says inland waters, you need to take a test in Croatia.
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Old 31.03.2021, 14:05
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I just had a chat with Port Authority of RIJEKA and the lady said:

If on the Swiss licence says inland waters, you need to take a test in Croatia.
Or another test from Swiss or other organisation that gives you the open water qualification.

I first did an internationally-recognised one in Croatia, oddly enough, albeit with a British flotilla/training operator. The issuing authority has a list of schools on its website, including five in Croatia, albeit none of them doing the power-only option. Typically (but not always) you'd do a week-long course to get your ICC on a sailing yacht, but then that's valid Internationally (except in CH) for sail and power boats up to 24m.

Other operators may exist, this is only one issuing body that I happen to know of. And of course we do have our own EF resident sailing instructor in the shape of eng_ch who may be able to help. Whether she can do the ICC directly I don't know, perhaps she'll be along shortly...
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Re: Swiss motorboat licence, is it accepted in Croatia?

The basic Swiss licence (A for motor, D for sail) is only valid on Swiss lakes. To take charge of a boat on the sea, you need some form of coastal qualification. In Switzerland, that's the Hochseeschein, which requires you to pass the lakes certificate (or already hold a qualification the government deems equivalent to qualify you to proceed), have 300 miles as crew under your belt, take a theory exam, then do another 700 miles as crew (under the Swiss system, you can't sign off on your own mileage).

The alternative is to do e.g. and RYA qualification (powerboat level 2 for RIBs and other day boats, Day Skipper motor for cruisers large enough to sleep on) and possibly get an ICC on the back of that (citizenship and residence permutations are complex), do the ICC directly, or do a qualification from another country, e.g. your home country, or the country where you want to operate the vessel.

Croatia is unusual in that it's the only Med country I'm aware of that requires you to hold a VHF certificate to charter a boat. You can do that here in CH, which also includes long-range, but again the RYA version is probably quicker and cheaper.

(Brexit has been posing some problems with RYA qualifications in Spain, but I gather there is some movement on that now)

I hope that helps

ETA: just to clarify what Ace1 said about the ICC in Switzerland – the ICC is valid in Switzerland but only for visitors and during your first 12 months here (like a car driving licence). If you are resident here, with very very few exceptions you have to do the local certificate regardless.
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ETA: just to clarify what Ace1 said about the ICC in Switzerland – the ICC is valid in Switzerland but only for visitors and during your first 12 months here (like a car driving licence). If you are resident here, with very very few exceptions you have to do the local certificate regardless.
Quite so. And with Lac Leman just 30 mins away I must get round to it one of these years. It's just one of those stupid rules that you can't, apparently, just enrol for the exam, so it seems to be 5 lessons minimum, at 400chf, regardless of one's previous experience
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Re: Swiss motorboat licence, is it accepted in Croatia?

Thank you all for your replies.

Corona travel permitting i'm thinking:

I have a trip to Southampton in the UK well overdue. If UK opens its border and no quarantining required, I can do the RYA course there.

The Croatian "Kategorija B" it is only theory in class room.
(Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday in class, 3-4 hours a day, Friday is EXAM day. Class done in Croatian and German according to my research. Others languages maybe possible... but I only know these 2.)

I'm thinking, UK waters, stronger currents, both in class and in the boat training, maybe more value for my money? RYA accepted from Croatian Authorities?
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I think so, but wouldn't you need a day skipper cert? That's not something you can do in a couple of days (or weeks, afaiaa). Eng_ch will probably be back soon with the definitive answer.
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I think so, but wouldn't you need a day skipper cert? That's not something you can do in a couple of days (or weeks, afaiaa). Eng_ch will probably be back soon with the definitive answer.
That depends on past experience. The Day Skipper practical course is officially 116 hours/5 days, although some places do it over weekends or over a full week if you're on holiday. The minimum previous experience is 100 miles and knowledge of the theory to Day Skipper level. Most people take the Day Skipper theory course, but it's not a strict requirement to hold the certificate before entry to the practical course (unlike in CH). However, you will be expected to demonstrate the knowledge on the practical course (e.g. course shaping, calculating tidal heights for anchoring etc., knowledge of collision regulations, lights, buoys etc., basic weather and so on).

One of the beauties of the RYA scheme is you can just jump in at the relevant level, without having to take all the previous courses (for instance, I once had a client who'd been sailing for 60 years but needed the bit of paper to charter in his own name - no point making him do Comp Crew first). It is also possible to do Day Skipper as a novice over two weeks (Comp Crew, DS theory, DS practical) but it's really hard work without a break, and you need to remember you will only have experienced the conditions and venue of those two weeks. But the level you are required to reach is exactly the same as for anyone else.
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Quite so. And with Lac Leman just 30 mins away I must get round to it one of these years. It's just one of those stupid rules that you can't, apparently, just enrol for the exam, so it seems to be 5 lessons minimum, at 400chf, regardless of one's previous experience
Are you talking about the Swiss ticket? I would strongly recommend the lessons because you need to learn what they're looking for in the exam – it's different from RYA – and to learn the boat you'll be doing it in.

I did my D-Schein down in St Moritz and took 4 hours of private followed by the exam - granted the examiner seemed a little embarrassed to be having to ask me theory questions, but syllabus and all that. Remember that for sail, everything has to be done under sail alone including mooring and slipping.

I did my motor on Lake Zurich, where they are really picky. You have to stop the boat no more than 50 cm away from the dock but never touch the dock and no fenders allowed. If you don't go out perpendicular for 150 m before turning along and back to enter the marina right next door to the exam centre, it's an automatic fail. Their MOB methods are different too (it's all good to learn lots of different options). Again I did a week of private lessons (about 10 hours total) and really didn't think I was going to pass. OTOH the examiners can also tell from your demeanour and how you handle yourself on a boat whether you fundamentally know what you're doing.
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