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Definitely Vermeulen is a huge loss - is back fro the 3rd test though and think that would swing it for the Boks.
Yip, in his absence I do believe Wiese should have started or even Dan du Preez (unfortunately he was released and also was in covid isolation). Both are more rugged no8Ďs. Hopefully Duane comes back earlier rather than laterÖ
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Re: B&I Lions Tour

As I mentioned previously, the referee was not great overall, but really it was a case of the bounce of the ball.

The only call where I fundamentally disagreed was the lift by Watson on le roux. That was a yellow every day of the week, and probably a red 2/3s of the time. What impact that would have, who knows. But that was a bad call. In the words of Sam Warburton, if he had had that ref in the WC final, he would be wearing a WC winners medal today.
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Old 27.07.2021, 13:46
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And teams are out. Overall happy with the Boks 23. Wiese I think will make a big difference, and our first string front row starts. Seems they were struggling with the pitch during the second half, so hopefully they can make themselves felt starting. Van Staden will add a lot as an impact player. Also seems we are back to the 6:2 split. Should be a cracker. Bokke!

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15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Anthony Watson, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Robbie Henshaw, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Dan Biggar, 9 Conor Murray, 8 Jack Conan, 7 Tom Curry, 6 Courtney Lawes, 5 Alun Wyn Jones (captain), 4 Maro Itoje, 3 Tadhg Furlong, 2 Luke Cowan-Dickie, 1 Mako Vunipola.
Replacements: 16 Ken Owens, 17 Rory Sutherland, 18 Kyle Sinckler, 19 Tadhg Beirne, 20 Taulupe Faletau, 21 Ali Price, 22 Owen Farrell, 23 Elliot Daly.

Boks

15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Handre Pollard, 9 Francois de Klerk, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siyamthanda Kolisi (captain), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Mbongeni Mbonambi, 1 Steven Kitshoff.
Replacements: 16 Malcolm Marx, 17 Trevor Nyakane 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Lodewyk de Jager, 20 Marco Van Staden, 21 Albertus Smith, 22 Herschel Jantjies, 23 Damian Willemse.
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Old 27.07.2021, 16:26
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And teams are out. Overall happy with the Boks 23. Wiese I think will make a big difference, and our first string front row starts. Seems they were struggling with the pitch during the second half, so hopefully they can make themselves felt starting. Van Staden will add a lot as an impact player. Also seems we are back to the 6:2 split. Should be a cracker. Bokke!

B&I Lions

15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Anthony Watson, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Robbie Henshaw, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Dan Biggar, 9 Conor Murray, 8 Jack Conan, 7 Tom Curry, 6 Courtney Lawes, 5 Alun Wyn Jones (captain), 4 Maro Itoje, 3 Tadhg Furlong, 2 Luke Cowan-Dickie, 1 Mako Vunipola.
Replacements: 16 Ken Owens, 17 Rory Sutherland, 18 Kyle Sinckler, 19 Tadhg Beirne, 20 Taulupe Faletau, 21 Ali Price, 22 Owen Farrell, 23 Elliot Daly.

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15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Handre Pollard, 9 Francois de Klerk, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siyamthanda Kolisi (captain), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Mbongeni Mbonambi, 1 Steven Kitshoff.
Replacements: 16 Malcolm Marx, 17 Trevor Nyakane 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Lodewyk de Jager, 20 Marco Van Staden, 21 Albertus Smith, 22 Herschel Jantjies, 23 Damian Willemse.
Much stronger SA team - especially in the scrum
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Much stronger SA team - especially in the scrum
Yip. My guess is he has a clear strategy to bruise it up heavily in the first half, which makes sense as we have generally had a strong first half. Then bring on van Staden to slow the ball down in the second and hopefully negate the ball pilferers of itoje and co.
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Definitely Vermeulen is a huge loss - is back fro the 3rd test though and think that would swing it for the Boks.
Conor Murray is starting 2nd test so that evens things up.
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Old 29.07.2021, 06:58
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Conor Murray is starting 2nd test so that evens things up.
Murray's service has been glacial for years - even in the Lions tests - Cooney is a far better SH but is not out there. I'm not Faf's biggest fan but I think he's far better.

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Re: B&I Lions Tour

Disagree entirely re: Murray. Yes, he has slowed down since his peak but he can control a tight game better than any of the other scrumhalves on tour in my opinion. In a game where a solid kick/chase is so important there is no better man in the British Isles. Also a very strong defensive player.

Looking forward to the next test anyway, Boks will bring more bite but I feel that the Lions will have them for fitness again! Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world however if it went down to a tense third test decider!
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What TV station is showing the game live?
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Canal+ is an option if French commentary works.
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Francais? Pas de probleme, merci!
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Disagree entirely re: Murray. Yes, he has slowed down since his peak but he can control a tight game better than any of the other scrumhalves on tour in my opinion. In a game where a solid kick/chase is so important there is no better man in the British Isles. Also a very strong defensive player.

Looking forward to the next test anyway, Boks will bring more bite but I feel that the Lions will have them for fitness again! Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world however if it went down to a tense third test decider!

Out bosching the Boks might just work again but it's exactly why England lost the RWC final. I'd prefer to keep them moving at pace.
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Disagree entirely re: Murray. Yes, he has slowed down since his peak but he can control a tight game better than any of the other scrumhalves on tour in my opinion. In a game where a solid kick/chase is so important there is no better man in the British Isles. Also a very strong defensive player.

Looking forward to the next test anyway, Boks will bring more bite but I feel that the Lions will have them for fitness again! Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world however if it went down to a tense third test decider!
When he played that turgid stuff under Joe Schmidt it suited him down to the ground where no doubt he is great at controlling box kicking. When things open out wide his passing is a bit hit and miss. Didn’t realize Limerick is still in the British Isles.
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Very dissappointed in Rassie and the Boks to be bringing the game into disrepute this week.
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Very dissappointed in Rassie and the Boks to be bringing the game into disrepute this week.
Personally I think thatís a bit harsh. I think he has achieved what he wanted to which was to take the spotlight off the players. Regarding the vid, I watched the whole vid, and most of it was accurate. Were there points during the Match which went in favour of the Boks, definitely, and I probably would have done a vid illustrating both sides, would have gone down better, but then thatís for gats to do. Letís also be fair, gats did the same (albeit in a far more subtle way) after the sa a game in order to pressure the ref. While it may not have been the best way to do it, we all know that world rugby has needed a decent revamp for a while. The processes are flawed and it is a complete ďold boysĒ club. I think what he wants is consistency and accountability. At least thatís what I got from the vid.
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Personally I think that’s a bit harsh. I think he has achieved what he wanted to which was to take the spotlight off the players. Regarding the vid, I watched the whole vid, and most of it was accurate. Were there points during the Match which went in favour of the Boks, definitely, and I probably would have done a vid illustrating both sides, would have gone down better, but then that’s for gats to do. Let’s also be fair, gats did the same (albeit in a far more subtle way) after the sa a game in order to pressure the ref. While it may not have been the best way to do it, we all know that world rugby has needed a decent revamp for a while. The processes are flawed and it is a complete “old boys” club. I think what he wants is consistency and accountability. At least that’s what I got from the vid.
It's taking the game down to the level of soccer - there was a tackle in the air of a lions player in the first half - no replay & nothing shown. Eddie Jones is hated for doing this sort of shit - and I agree with you Gatland likes to dabble in this sort of nonsense too. Hinting at racism is really nasty stuff and is tearing the country - and the Western world apart.
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It's taking the game down to the level of soccer - there was a tackle in the air of a lions player in the first half - no replay & nothing shown. Eddie Jones is hated for doing this sort of shit - and I agree with you Gatland likes to dabble in this sort of nonsense too. Hinting at racism is really nasty stuff and is tearing the country - and the Western world apart.
Agreed to a certain extent, and thatís why an analysis of the calls against both sides would be of more use to enforce the call for consistency and accountability. I do think though that a vid pointing out inconsistencies brings the game far less into disrepute than a lot of other things that happen. I donít know about the racism aspect, I know what you mean as itís a hot potato and can be construed as such, but you may be reading a little too much into that though. I think he just wants the captains to be treated equally.

Letís focus on todayís game.
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Agreed to a certain extent, and thatís why an analysis of the calls against both sides would be of more use to enforce the call for consistency and accountability. I do think though that a vid pointing out inconsistencies brings the game far less into disrepute than a lot of other things that happen. I donít know about the racism aspect, I know what you mean as itís a hot potato and can be construed as such, but you may be reading a little too much into that though. I think he just wants the captains to be treated equally.

Letís focus on todayís game.
Grand how do u see it ? I think its a coin toss but Boks by 3
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Grand how do u see it ? I think its a coin toss but Boks by 3
No idea… heart says Boks, but really depends on how our guys pitch up. I do know that the Boks generally do well when they are in corner, so let’s see!

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So, the perfect result to set up a cliffhanger next week.

I thought that there were several questionable calls by the ref, but just like last week they tended to even out over the course of the game.

I was actually quite worried this week that the mental side of things (dealing with a pressure tour, Covid, unrest in the country, etc.) had gotten to Rassie and that he was lashing out. I am now starting to wonder how calculated that move was - if it was part of some master plan, he has proven to once again be a master tactician. The ref was petrified to come to a decision on nearly anything - 65 minutes to complete the first half due to all the referrals!
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