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So, the perfect result to set up a cliffhanger next week.

I thought that there were several questionable calls by the ref, but just like last week they tended to even out over the course of the game.

I was actually quite worried this week that the mental side of things (dealing with a pressure tour, Covid, unrest in the country, etc.) had gotten to Rassie and that he was lashing out. I am now starting to wonder how calculated that move was - if it was part of some master plan, he has proven to once again be a master tactician. The ref was petrified to come to a decision on nearly anything - 65 minutes to complete the first half due to all the referrals!
Not sure about that one. Cheslin Kolve was very lucky not to get a red - although I sympathise with the decision, I don't like seeing reds for non malicious behaviour- it was extremely dangerous.

One of the SA tries was imho a clear knock on with no control of the ball. Then we got Henderson's try which probably was a try but there was no good angle to see the grounding. If the on field decision was try that would have survived the TMO.

For me we were on the wrong side of two 50/50s and one wrong decision.
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Old 01.08.2021, 09:18
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Not sure about that one. Cheslin Kolve was very lucky not to get a red - although I sympathise with the decision, I don't like seeing reds for non malicious behaviour- it was extremely dangerous.

One of the SA tries was imho a clear knock on with no control of the ball. Then we got Henderson's try which probably was a try but there was no good angle to see the grounding. If the on field decision was try that would have survived the TMO.

For me we were on the wrong side of two 50/50s and one wrong decision.
It's a stone cold red and there's no two ways about it
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It's a stone cold red and there's no two ways about it
Similar to the off the ball tip/spear tackle on PSdT that wasn’t even looked at? Ask any Bok fan and Van Der Merwe’s attempt to “kick the ball” was a deliberate and malicious trip that deserved red too.

That’s the problem with refereeing - depending on the tint of your glasses (in this case green or red), you are going to look at various incidents in different ways.

Will be interesting to see if Hogg’s alleged bite on WdT is cited this week.

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Similar to the off the ball tip/spear tackle on PSdT that wasn’t even looked at? Ask any Bok fan and Van Der Merwe’s attempt to “kick the ball” was a deliberate and malicious trip that deserved red too.

That’s the problem with refereeing - depending on the tint of your glasses (in this case green or red), you are going to look at various incidents in different ways.

Will be interesting to see if Hogg’s alleged bite on WdT is cited this week.
So you think it's a red then ? As to PSdT if you mean the tackle on him where he comes off injured please put up the clip but it didn't appear to me to be off the ball or that the player's legs were lifted above the horizontal.
In any case I think Kolbe should most definitely have been sent off , and was disgusted that he didn't check on Murray after that hit in the air - World Rugby have long outlawed that kind of tackle and it's tremendously dangerous.
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Similar to the off the ball tip/spear tackle on PSdT that wasn’t even looked at? Ask any Bok fan and Van Der Merwe’s attempt to “kick the ball” was a deliberate and malicious trip that deserved red too.

That’s the problem with refereeing - depending on the tint of your glasses (in this case green or red), you are going to look at various incidents in different ways.

Will be interesting to see if Hogg’s alleged bite on WdT is cited this week.
The Hamish Watson was a clear yellow - as in definitely not a red and definitely not just a penalty. It's dangerous because it's head first but not as dangerous as Cheslin Kolbe taking Murray out as high as that in the air.

Tripping is generally a yellow card.
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So you think it's a red then ? As to PSdT if you mean the tackle on him where he comes off injured please put up the clip but it didn't appear to me to be off the ball or that the player's legs were lifted above the horizontal.
In any case I think Kolbe should most definitely have been sent off , and was disgusted that he didn't check on Murray after that hit in the air - World Rugby have long outlawed that kind of tackle and it's tremendously dangerous.
All I am saying is that (like the first test) there were calls that could have gone either way. That’s rugby.

But just like the game last week, the better side won this week. Sets up a good finale and I hope there aren’t any further side shows.
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All I am saying is that (like the first test) there were calls that could have gone either way. That’s rugby.

But just like the game last week, the better side won this week. Sets up a good finale and I hope there aren’t any further side shows.
Would generally agree, there were calls both ways. Psdt tackle for me was fine, not past horizontal, just awkward landing which isn’t really Duhans fault. Regarding the Kolbe, yes, red could be argued. Hoggs bite, only willie knows if it was or not, although his reaction does imply a little more. If we are talking about a potential red, the itoje knee to the neck of de Allende could also be argued. Probably overall, went both ways.

At least the final test should be a cracker now.
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So you think it's a red then ? As to PSdT if you mean the tackle on him where he comes off injured please put up the clip but it didn't appear to me to be off the ball or that the player's legs were lifted above the horizontal.
In any case I think Kolbe should most definitely have been sent off , and was disgusted that he didn't check on Murray after that hit in the air - World Rugby have long outlawed that kind of tackle and it's tremendously dangerous.
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Would generally agree, there were calls both ways. Psdt tackle for me was fine, not past horizontal, just awkward landing which isn’t really Duhans fault. Regarding the Kolbe, yes, red could be argued. Hoggs bite, only willie knows if it was or not, although his reaction does imply a little more. If we are talking about a potential red, the itoje knee to the neck of de Allende could also be argued. Probably overall, went both ways.

At least the final test should be a cracker now.
Actually forgot about the Itoje knee - good example of the point I was trying to make. There was a lot from both sides that went unpunished.
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News in last night - Sinckler has been cited for an alleged bite which apparently happened in the 64th minute. I did not see this incident nor have I been following much about it in the news so can’t really comment on it.

Interesting that none of the other incidents appear to have been cited.

Here we go again…
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News in last night - Sinckler has been cited for an alleged bite which apparently happened in the 64th minute. I did not see this incident nor have I been following much about it in the news so can’t really comment on it.

Interesting that none of the other incidents appear to have been cited.

Here we go again…
That’s just odd… some obscure incident no one even saw. I think the others including Kolbe’s should have been looked at. Again like I said before world rugby… starting to look more like fifa.
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Twitter was wild last night!

Good news is that Duane Vermeulen might be on the field on Saturday!!
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News in last night - Sinckler has been cited for an alleged bite which apparently happened in the 64th minute. I did not see this incident nor have I been following much about it in the news so can’t really comment on it.

Interesting that none of the other incidents appear to have been cited.

Here we go again…
He (Sinckler) has plenty of previous but there are 7 possible red cards from that game :
SA: Faf Shoulder to head of Murray - https://twitter.com/patmccarry/statu...6CXKl9cwJkaksA
SA: Wiese Shoulder/Head to head on Furlong : https://www.facebook.com/dean.sykes1...99089237158504
SA: Kolbe Tackle on Murray in air (above)
SA: Kolbe Tackle on Curry - shoulder to head
Lions : Itoje - knee on neck
Lions : Sinckler - biting
Lions : Hogg - biting

To my mind the Wiese incident on Furlong and the tackle to Murray at the apex of his jump are the most serious - both could have resulted in at least concussion.
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He (Sinckler) has plenty of previous but there are 7 possible red cards from that game :
SA: Faf Shoulder to head of Murray - https://twitter.com/patmccarry/statu...6CXKl9cwJkaksA
SA: Wiese Shoulder/Head to head on Furlong : https://www.facebook.com/dean.sykes1...99089237158504
SA: Kolbe Tackle on Murray in air (above)
SA: Kolbe Tackle on Curry - shoulder to head
Lions : Itoje - knee on neck
Lions : Sinckler - biting
Lions : Hogg - biting

To my mind the Wiese incident on Furlong and the tackle to Murray at the apex of his jump are the most serious - both could have resulted in at least concussion.
If we are going to go through every possible incident, then don’t forget vunipola shoulder to etzebeths head… in the first minute…
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And now for a laugh, Dan biggar, aka neymar…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zP6Vl3bFiE
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And the teams are out:

Lions

15 Liam Williams, 14 Josh Adams, 13 Robbie Henshaw, 12 Bundee Aki, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Dan Biggar, 9 Ali Price, 8 Jack Conan, 7 Tom Curry, 6 Courtney Lawes, 5 Alun Wyn Jones (Captain), 4 Maro Itoje, 3 Tadhg Furlong, 2 Ken Owens, 1 Wyn Jones
Replacements: 16 Luke Cowan-Dickie, 17 Mako Vunipola, 18 Kyle Sinckler, 19 Adam Beard, 20 Sam Simmonds, 21 Conor Murray, 22 Finn Russell, 23 Elliot Daly

Boks: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 – Cheslin Kolbe, 13 – Lukhanyo Am, 12 – Damian de Allende, 11 – Makazole Mapimpi, 10 – Handré Pollard,9 – Cobus Reinach, 8 – Jasper Wiese, 7 – Franco Mostert, 6 – Siya Kolisi, 5 – Lood de Jager, 4 – Eben Etzebeth, 3 – Frans Malherbe, 2 – Bongi Mbonambi, 1 – Steven Kitshoff

Replacements: 16 – Malcolm Marx, 17 – Trevor Nyakane, 18 – Vincent Koch, 19 – Marco van Staden, 20 – Kwagga Smith, 21 – Herschel Jantjies, 22 – Morné Steyn, 23 – Damian Willemse

On the lions, some big changes, with Williams coming in. Seems the aerial battle will continue in earnest.

For the Boks, the 2 changes I feared, du toit and de Klerk due to injury. Big loss for us, no vermeulen, so he isn’t ready. Will be tough. Reckon they continue where they left off and use the forwards to bash it up and also the 3 locks to control the line out. Hopefully bomb squad remains strong. Will help lions, so will be tough game. Pitch remains very sloppy, so will be another arm wrestle.
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Bundee Aki ... really? Do we want a red card?
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Lots of changes for the Lions. To be honest I thought this is more like the team would’ve looked for the earlier tests and perhaps demonstrative of who Gatland trusts to win him the war given the strong Welsh influence to the team. Heart says Boks, but head Lions.

Surprised there is no place for Farrell in the line-up. Personally I don’t like the guy, but I give it to him he is tough as nails.
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News in last night - Sinckler has been cited for an alleged bite which apparently happened in the 64th minute. I did not see this incident nor have I been following much about it in the news so can’t really comment on it.

Interesting that none of the other incidents appear to have been cited.

Here we go again…
Sinckler cleared. One hopes that’s the end of the side shows until kick-off on Saturday (wishful thinking!)…
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