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I am sure they will. We cycled past a policeman yesterday on our ebikes without lights and he simply waved and smiled at us. As we had literally just picked our 2 bikes up from a service at the rather alarming cost of CHF 1,370 for the two, one might have thought that lights would have been installed ... but no. Despite the purchase cost and subsequent servicing, our ebikes have opened up a whole new World and are well worth the money.
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I As we had literally just picked our 2 bikes up from a service at the rather alarming cost of CHF 1,370 for the two.
Sorry... what? You paid 1400chf to get your ebikes serviced, how is that even possible and why did you not ask for a breakdown and explanation of the costs?
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Old 13.06.2022, 08:47
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Sorry... what? You paid 1400chf to get your ebikes serviced, how is that even possible and why did you not ask for a breakdown and explanation of the costs?

Of course it's possible in Switzerland!

I'd love to know what they did for that money.

At least Klostergirl found the service cost "alarming" though that wouldn't have been the word I would have used!
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We do have it all listed out. Got to be honest, we haven't had a service for probably 4 years and I have done more than 3,000 km on mine. We both needed new rear tyres, new chains, brakes, some update on our batteries and "brain" and a whole host of sundry items. Thankfully we ordered the small service at CHF 240 per bike, which in truth didn't seem to include much as all the other costs came on top. They feel like brand new bikes, but yes, alarming is how I would describe the cost using my characteristic British understatement!
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Sorry... what? You paid 1400chf to get your ebikes serviced, how is that even possible and why did you not ask for a breakdown and explanation of the costs?
M-Way's XL service is 319 CHF excl. parts: https://m-way.ch/velo-werkstatt/
If you replace all wear parts (with a healthy profit margin), you should be able to come up to 700 CHF per bike.

Still, it's more expensive than my car's last service
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We do have it all listed out. Got to be honest, we haven't had a service for probably 4 years and I have done more than 3,000 km on mine. We both needed new rear tyres, new chains, brakes, some update on our batteries and "brain" and a whole host of sundry items. Thankfully we ordered the small service at CHF 240 per bike, which in truth didn't seem to include much as all the other costs came on top. They feel like brand new bikes, but yes, alarming is how I would describe the cost using my characteristic British understatement!
I guess over four years, it's not too bad per year.
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We do have it all listed out. Got to be honest, we haven't had a service for probably 4 years and I have done more than 3,000 km on mine. We both needed new rear tyres, new chains, brakes, some update on our batteries and "brain" and a whole host of sundry items. Thankfully we ordered the small service at CHF 240 per bike, which in truth didn't seem to include much as all the other costs came on top. They feel like brand new bikes, but yes, alarming is how I would describe the cost using my characteristic British understatement!
If you ordered a small service and were charged 1400chf and they did not ask for permission to do that extra work that amounts to over 3x the service cost then it is still outrageous and unethical. I would love to see that itemized bill to see how much they padded the work because even with the things you listed (brake pads, chain, tyres and a software update, none of which are big jobs) that price seems sky high.
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Old 13.06.2022, 09:35
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If you ordered a small service and were charged 1400chf and they did not ask for permission to do that extra work that amounts to over 3x the service cost then it is still outrageous and unethical. I would love to see that itemized bill to see how much they padded the work because even with the things you listed (brake pads, chain, tyres and a software update, none of which are big jobs) that price seems sky high.
I have photographed it, but don't know how to downsize it to fit. The original cost was CHF 240 per bike and then several costs come on top. The brakes alone totalled CHF 164 on my bike, software update was CHF 40, the chain CHF 52, Kassette (?) CHF 51, rear tyre CHF 29, display CHF 59, other smaller items, all totalling CHF 702.20 and CHF 54.05 MWST on top. My husband, who took the bikes in, was told that a fair bit of work would be required and he agreed. In the past we have taken them into the shop in Klosters where we bought them and will do that again in the future.
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Old 13.06.2022, 09:36
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Where do I have to ride on a traffic circle (roundabout)? On the right, on the left, or in the middle?

In principle, the right-hand rule also applies at roundabouts. However, cyclists may deviate from this rule in the roundabout for safety reasons, so that their path is not cut off by cars.
what is "the right-hand rule"?
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what is "the right-hand rule"?
Where did you see that written?

I assume it means "keep to the right".

When turning left at roundabouts (third exit), I move to the left so I don't get side-swiped by inattentive car drivers going straight on (second exit).
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what is "the right-hand rule"?
ride on the right side of the road. i prefer to ride in the middle on a roundabout, to improve survival chances as nobody seems to look in the mirror when leaving a roundabout.
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I have photographed it, but don't know how to downsize it to fit. The original cost was CHF 240 per bike and then several costs come on top. The brakes alone totalled CHF 164 on my bike, software update was CHF 40, the chain CHF 52, Kassette (?) CHF 51, rear tyre CHF 29, display CHF 59, other smaller items, all totalling CHF 702.20 and CHF 54.05 MWST on top. My husband, who took the bikes in, was told that a fair bit of work would be required and he agreed. In the past we have taken them into the shop in Klosters where we bought them and will do that again in the future.
Ok fair enough if you are fine with it and thanks for the detailed reply!
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ride on the right side of the road. i prefer to ride in the middle on a roundabout, to improve survival chances as nobody seems to look in the mirror when leaving a roundabout.
i normally ride in the middle.

when turning left at the roundabout, i enter and cycle to the inside circle of the roundabout moving from the right to the left and then cycle to the outside circle moving from left to the right as I exit.
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Old 13.06.2022, 11:08
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Ok fair enough if you are fine with it and thanks for the detailed reply!
I can actually see this being pretty realistic. Ebikes wear through their 'consumables' pretty quickly and if you replace one thing on your drivetrain, for instance, you need to replace everything. (Chain, chainrings, cassette). I'm guessing disc brakes, which would include discs and pads. In addition to the other items listed and labour, it seems reasonable.

My bike has just gone in for a gear tune up and to replace a broken charge port and I have been quoted CHF250-CHF300. Luckily the manufacturer is covering the cost of replacing the charge port.

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i normally ride in the middle.
At least for single lane ones that's the recommended way if you don't take the first exit at 90, you don't have to though it's your choice. Move to the middle of your lane a carlength or two before entering the roundbout. Remember to signal your intent with the right hand. Says the TCS.
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I can actually see this being pretty realistic. Ebikes wear through their 'consumables' pretty quickly and if you replace one thing on your drivetrain, for instance, you need to replace everything. (Chain, chainrings, cassette). I'm guessing disc brakes, which would include discs and brakes. In addition to the other items listed and labour, it seems reasonable.

My bike has just gone in for a gear tune up and to replace a broken charge port and I have been quoted CHF250-CHF300. Luckily the manufacturer is covering the cost of replacing the charge port.
I have a high-end EMTB since 2 years that does trails and occasional downhill and so far I have had to replace nothing except very minor things and I get it serviced once a year. Brake pads should be replaced every 12 months but discs can last a coupl eto several ears depending on how much abuse they get. You also do not need to replace an entire drivetrain when you just replace the chain as a cassette lasts 5000-1000km+.
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If you ordered a small service and were charged 1400chf and they did not ask for permission to do that extra work that amounts to over 3x the service cost then it is still outrageous and unethical.
...and typically Swiss. I don't ride an e-bike, but I had constant problems with my car dealership performing unrequested services without asking for my permission, and an oil change suddenly became a CHF1'000 service.

The last time I look my car in for service, I wrote to them in advance and said that I requested an oil change only (and made it explicitly clear that they were not to perform any other part of the "oil service" which is the name of the annual check.) I also left a note in the car to this effect.

Sure enough, came back to discover they had done the full oil service, replaced the wipers, and a few other odds and sods. The bill for my oil change was CHF700. I refused to pay, and asked them to replace all of the old parts at their expense. In the end, they wrote off everything but the oil change that was requested, and I left with a bill for CHF150.
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"Its only real downside is that its not geared and cant climb a hill over 10% grade. This is the most important consideration as if you have a hilly commute you would be better off with a geared chain driven ebike. However a 10% hill is pretty steep so I think the majority will be happy."

The price is also very nice!
I was thinking about this a bit. It's marketed is as a town ebike but fine for small hills or undulating countryside too.

However, with no gearing, it's going to be tough going up hills unless the motor is used a lot and then the battery will run out.
How would one get home with a flat battery if there was still some hilly ground to cover on the way?

There's no way a cyclist with a single-speed will manage an incline other than a very gentle one, especially if the bike weighs 22Kg.

They'll need to walk.
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I was thinking about this a bit. It's marketed is as a town ebike but fine for small hills or undulating countryside too.

However, with no gearing, it's going to be tough going up hills unless the motor is used a lot and then the battery will run out.
How would one get home with a flat battery if there was still some hilly ground to cover on the way?

There's no way a cyclist with a single-speed will manage an incline other than a very gentle one, especially if the bike weighs 22Kg.

They'll need to walk.
I live in Zuri Unterland, so relatively flat, compared to Switzerland in general. 10% gradient is pretty steep, and do not think there are any hills around my area that steep. Not planning to do any serious cycling, just for a bit of exercise and leisure.

As I am a complete novice my thinking is to get something cheap to try out and see if this is something for me - and I stick to it. If I like it then I can go full "Swiss" and spend CHF 5000.- on a bicycle. The single gear CHF 800.- bike can then be sold at a discount, or be used as a "guest" bike - in any case, I will not end up with a piece of very expensive equipment sitting in my garage.

The bike should arrive next week. I will report back in case it is a total waste of money.
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...and typically Swiss. I don't ride an e-bike, but I had constant problems with my car dealership performing unrequested services without asking for my permission, and an oil change suddenly became a CHF1'000 service.

The last time I look my car in for service, I wrote to them in advance and said that I requested an oil change only (and made it explicitly clear that they were not to perform any other part of the "oil service" which is the name of the annual check.) I also left a note in the car to this effect.

Sure enough, came back to discover they had done the full oil service, replaced the wipers, and a few other odds and sods. The bill for my oil change was CHF700. I refused to pay, and asked them to replace all of the old parts at their expense. In the end, they wrote off everything but the oil change that was requested, and I left with a bill for CHF150.
I'm taking my car for a significant service tomorrow and specifically told the garage in writing not to perform any additional work without my express verbal or written authorization. They sent me a nice itemized quote in advance so I am hopeful it will go smoothly. I do need one bit of self-inflicted damage repaired so that should be the only thing that vexes me.
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