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Re: Skiing (snowboarding) 2023

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I think what they probably want (at least some people), is a ski insurance policy , at a premium, which allows them to claim for no snow and reimburses for flights, accommodation and lessons, if pre-booked.
I think that's what drove my friend's comments.

They are live in Singapore. They come back to Switzerland every winter as they want their children to maintain a connection to Switzerland, and skiing is one thing that draws the children to that side of their heritage. But they are finding that the expense of the trip isnt worth it when there is no snow.

A bit of a Teufelskreis. Understandable that ski resorts can't afford generous cancellation policies, but with the chance of no snow ever increasing, tourists, especially those who come from afar, may be increasingly reluctant to plan a ski trip to expensive Switzerland.
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Tough luck. Everybody wants hotels and restaurants to be available non-stop, but nobody wants to accept reasonable cancellation deadlines?
Yes I agree- what we have always done. We have been so lucky we have never had a no ski holiday. Twice we arrived with pouring rain- and the next day it was powder for the 10 days.

A good idea perhaps would be to book in a resort where other activities are available, like a spa resort, with a skating rink, etc.

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Re: Skiing (snowboarding) 2023

and for heaven's sake leave your fitbit at home, unless you want an expensive bill for your little tumble!

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Yes, this is commonplace. But of course 60days in advance you have NO idea what conditions will be like for you holiday. Snow condition can change from one day to the next- let alone 2 months. But that is the way it is, in Europe.

You can certainly minimize your risk by booking at a station/resort that is at altitude and is fairly "snow sure". It's not a 100% guarantee, and the conditions may be just passable rather than ideal, but I've never had a year where I couldn't ski at all.
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and for heaven's sake leave your fitbit at home, unless you want an expensive bill for your little tumble!

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Ouch.

I have something similar on my Garmin bike computer, but it is mounted on the bars so I can see if this alert is activated and can stop it. I managed to activate it a few times accidentally by braking hard.
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I think that's what drove my friend's comments.

They are live in Singapore. They come back to Switzerland every winter as they want their children to maintain a connection to Switzerland, and skiing is one thing that draws the children to that side of their heritage. But they are finding that the expense of the trip isnt worth it when there is no snow.

A bit of a Teufelskreis. Understandable that ski resorts can't afford generous cancellation policies, but with the chance of no snow ever increasing, tourists, especially those who come from afar, may be increasingly reluctant to plan a ski trip to expensive Switzerland.
To be fair is that a rather unusual use case. People in Southeast Asia typically rather fly to Japan for skiing where the chance of no snow is pretty close to zero.
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Re: Skiing (snowboarding) 2023

Good point, Treverus.

Which brings another question to mind: Is Swiss ski tourism dependent on international tourists? What portion of ski resort revenue comes from domestic skiers, what portion from international tourists?
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Re: Skiing (snowboarding) 2023

Foreign tourists tend to always use the same resorts- the most famous ones they have heard of. In Romandie, mainly 4 Vallées/Verbier, Crans Montana, Portes du Soleil, etc.

Or St Moritz and Zermatt.

Even in the 4 Vallées- most go to Verbier and not the less known others (Nendaz, Veysonnaz, Thyon, or Bruson). Although this has changed somewhat over the years. Regulars have found they can ski the 4Vallées and stay in the other villages, for much less- and keep away from the Hurray Henries (posh rich boys)!

This year is a really worrying time for the resorts relying on British visitors. Uncertainty over snow, but mainly the very low value of Sterling, which has made huge prices, beyond affordable for all but the massively rich. Friends from UK who used to come to CH always, are heading for Italy this year, and some to France.
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Good point, Treverus.

Which brings another question to mind: Is Swiss ski tourism dependent on international tourists? What portion of ski resort revenue comes from domestic skiers, what portion from international tourists?
I'd be interested to know how many of the tourists are European or from other continents. I'd claim that the overwhelming majority is Northern European. Some specific resorts like Wengen or Gstaad seem to be entirely British while others like Davos more German. Many Benelux and Scandinavians... relatively few others. Some places like St Moritz have their own rules... and Zermatt seems to attract the global crowd.
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To be fair is that a rather unusual use case. People in Southeast Asia typically rather fly to Japan for skiing where the chance of no snow is pretty close to zero.
Yep exactly this also because the flight is shorter and there is no jetlag so you can make the most of it.

The other issue is that skiing at Christmas has always been more risky than in Feb in low resorts. Afterall, winter has just started then. February is more sure.
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This year is a really worrying time for the resorts relying on British visitors. Uncertainty over snow, but mainly the very low value of Sterling, which has made huge prices, beyond affordable for all but the massively rich. Friends from UK who used to come to CH always, are heading for Italy this year, and some to France.
Won’t the low value of sterling affect ski resorts in other European countries too?
Surely fewer Brits will be going skiing in France and Italy and Austria as they will also be more expensive for them.
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Re: Skiing (snowboarding) 2023

Sterling is particularly low compared to CHF- and prices overall have always been higher in CH. Many won't be able to ski this year due to inflation in the UK, added to low £ value- those who do will try and find cheaper places than CH- mostly, unless VERY rich.

My family will go to Italy for the first time, due to above, and we will join them there.
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Good point, Treverus.

Which brings another question to mind: Is Swiss ski tourism dependent on international tourists? What portion of ski resort revenue comes from domestic skiers, what portion from international tourists?
Here the statistics (in Excel Table format) by year, guest origin, zone and season for each year since 1992:

https://www.bfs.admin.ch/asset/de/je...03.01.01.02.02
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Re: Skiing (snowboarding) 2023

The strong franc is obviously not doing the Swiss tourism any favours as it makes it even more expensive than before for lots of people.
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Re: Skiing (snowboarding) 2023

The cost of skiing is a little lower in Austria than Switzerland, but the value for money is much higher.
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Agreed- but if budget is tight, as for so many in the UK now - they will look for alternatives- especially for UK half-term where prices in CH can treble or quadruple in 4Vallées.
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Re: Skiing (snowboarding) 2023

Wasn't this a thread about conditions? And I don't mean financial conditions.

Weekend looks mighty cold and windy in the mountains. -13 and 30 kmh on Sat at 2000m .... meh
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Wasn't this a thread about conditions? And I don't mean financial conditions.

Weekend looks mighty cold and windy in the mountains. -13 and 30 kmh on Sat at 2000m .... meh

And an avalanche off-piste today in Adelboden:

https://www.20min.ch/video/adelboden...h-232830073626
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Wasn't this a thread about conditions? And I don't mean financial conditions.

Weekend looks mighty cold and windy in the mountains. -13 and 30 kmh on Sat at 2000m .... meh
The thread is very open to all aspects of skiing in 2023.

Anyhow- all smaller resorts at lower altitude are opening this week-end in the Jura and the Alps, and conditions are great. All xc skiing in Jura as well. If you want the very best views of the Alps, don't go there- go to the tops (Crêtes) of the Jura, and you will see the lot, from East to West. Glorious.
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The thread is very open to all aspects of skiing in 2023.

Anyhow- all smaller resorts at lower altitude are opening this week-end in the Jura and the Alps, and conditions are great. All xc skiing in Jura as well. If you want the very best views of the Alps, don't go there- go to the tops (Crêtes) of the Jura, and you will see the lot, from East to West. Glorious.
I always wanted to go, but then I never can motivate myself for the 2h drive. Especially when days are short.
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