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Old 21.12.2008, 18:34
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So was anybody else stupid enough....

...to hit the slopes today?

Just back from Hoch-Ybrig - still trying to dry up from a day in what can best be described as rain with a little snow in....

Actually that is a little harsh. The upper slopes, where ok - it was just a total white-out, so had no idea whether I was on or off piste?

The upside of the bad weather: No people at all in the lift queues.
Downside: They were all in the lunch queue

Look at this, it almost turned into a mini review....

Take care all
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Old 21.12.2008, 18:40
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Re: So was anybody else stupid enough....

sounds just like Laax yesterday
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Re: So was anybody else stupid enough....

I went to Flumserberg today. The conditions were awful. It was raining, we couldn't see the terrain at all with or without goggles. The snow condition was very sticky and was having trouble maintaining speed even on slight downhills. We tried to get our money back (or at least a voucher), but no luck since we did the snow-and-rail deal they said they cannot help us. I also learned from the ticket lady that Flumserberg is not responsible for the weather (even though I didn't even mention the weather ). IMO they could do a better job of posting the "weather" on their website as they said sunny and -6º before we left! Further you have to buy a ticket at the very bottom by the lake where it is impossible to know what the weather is up above the overcast. We left after two hours -- it was simply not worth it staying.

So be warned not to buy tickets unless you are sure the conditions are good!!
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Old 21.12.2008, 20:30
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Re: So was anybody else stupid enough....

Or check the weather forecast before you go. The forecast for today was iffy at best, which is why I was in no hurry to get on the slopes.
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Or check the weather forecast before you go. The forecast for today was iffy at best, which is why I was in no hurry to get on the slopes.
Did check the weather (see my post); last year i went on a similar day and it was great once above the cloud layer.

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IMO they could do a better job of posting the "weather" on their website as they said sunny and -6º before we left!
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Old 21.12.2008, 21:09
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Re: So was anybody else stupid enough....

Hi J!

We went spontaneously to Engelberg only for the afternoon.

It was so spontaneous that we were not aware that there was a FIS Skijump Worldcup tournament on... which had a negative impact on the overall parking situation... and the traffic on the way home.

Since everyone was going to the race, we decided to ski on the other side of the valley

Not many people, pretty good snow although the sun has melted a lot there before... a nice day and a nice place. And a nice view on the jumpers

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Old 21.12.2008, 21:46
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IMO they could do a better job of posting the "weather" on their website as they said sunny and -6º before we left!

I had been checking the weather forecast on their (Flumserberg) website over the weekend and didn't see any forecast of sun... and with 40 km/h winds on Saturyday I decided not to go this weekend...
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Re: So was anybody else stupid enough....

I was in Charmey. Really poor visibility and very sticky snow. I had also booked a lesson and hired my board from the only shop in the resort. The board they gave me was far too small for my height and thanks to that my lesson was spent with me mostly with my face in the slush.
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Old 22.12.2008, 10:11
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I was in Charmey. Really poor visibility and very sticky snow. I had also booked a lesson and hired my board from the only shop in the resort. The board they gave me was far too small for my height and thanks to that my lesson was spent with me mostly with my face in the slush.
If you are learning a too small board may actually be of help to you.

The longer the board is the more edge you have to catch and resist your efforts to get it go around the turn. A shorter board is more responsive to shoulder and hip movements and if all else fails much easier to slide around a turn then a longer board.

Where the shorter board is a disadvantage is on steeper icy slopes. Then you don't have as much edge to dig in and get grip, and just end up slipping down the slope rather then riding down.

I guess it depends on how short is short though!!!
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Old 22.12.2008, 10:19
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IMO they could do a better job of posting the "weather" on their website as they said sunny and -6º before we left! Further you have to buy a ticket at the very bottom by the lake where it is impossible to know what the weather is up above the overcast.
I think that some places take the pi ss on days like this. I mean the staff at the bottom taking your money know damn well if it's s**t up the top.

I don't know if you knew, but the Flumserberg website has some excellent quality webcams that update every 10 mins. I pretty much rely on these now and they are exactly the reason why I didn't go on Friday

http://www.flumserberg.ch/winter/de/...=off&flashbw=0

click "history" next to the Prodalp one to see all the day's pictures listed.
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Old 22.12.2008, 10:25
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I guess it depends on how short is short though!!!

Thanks Eire. I am 178cm tall and the board was 143cm. I went to Schwarzsee last week and the board I had then came to my chin and was much easier to handle. This one barely made it to my shoulders and I found myself unable to turn, glide or anything. It may have just been the weather conditions that had the biggest negative effect though. I'm not experienced enough to make that call.
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Old 22.12.2008, 10:50
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Thanks Eire. I am 178cm tall and the board was 143cm. I went to Schwarzsee last week and the board I had then came to my chin and was much easier to handle. This one barely made it to my shoulders and I found myself unable to turn, glide or anything. It may have just been the weather conditions that had the biggest negative effect though. I'm not experienced enough to make that call.
Ouch.... That is VERY VERY short. You may as well have been on a skate board.

As for the weather, there are so many online weather resources that people should not have a problem determining whether it is worth while to go to the mountains or not. My tip is don't use just one site. Use as many as you can get and look at the resort webcams too. If you read the AGB for ski resorts in Switzerland it actually states that no refund is available for poor weather conditions. Sometimes you might get a voucher for another ticket if they have to close the lifts, but certainly not if the lifts are running and you are just going home because the weather is a little bit nasty.
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Re: So was anybody else stupid enough....

Saturday morning, the view from our house was a Winter Wonderland.

Sunday most of the snow was gone

So guess it won't be a white Xmas for us looking at the forcast.
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Old 22.12.2008, 11:37
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Re: So was anybody else stupid enough....

When we were young, we used to ski in the foulest weather.
If the lifts are running and you actually go forwards on the slopes, the wind is not too strong. (in Melchsee Frutt we once got blown uphill!)
If you can see the tips of your skis, the fog is not too thick.
If you are not soaked to the skin, the rain is not too hard.
If you can crack a smile after ten minutes in the restaurant, your face has 'thawed' quickly enough and it isn't too cold.
The advantage in taking the rough with the smooth is that if, after a sunny day, the mist comes up towards evening and the visibiility drops, you can still ski just the same as usual. The fair weather friends who only ski when conditions are perfect look like absolute beginners!
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Re: So was anybody else stupid enough....

The first 3-4 years here we used to go EVERY weekend, rain shine, good or bad piste conditions.

Must admit this really paid off.

Also when hte conditions are a bit iffy, then the lift Queues are less, but often the restaurants are full, so when you want a quick break that may prove more difficult.
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