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Old 19.03.2009, 17:25
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What the heck is helment, I've never heard of? If it means helmet than I fully support it!
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More judgemental comment.

Why do I need life insurance? I certainly don't need the money after I'm gone, and my family are well provided for.

Hey, you judged yourself! I said nothing about ~life~ insurance... you just need the insurance to cover your liabilities if you injure/kill someone else and the court case goes against you; i.e. to protect others.

If you checked the link I posted, you would have read that the "top German politician" ... "may be charged with manslaughter".
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Old 19.03.2009, 17:30
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Re: Do you wear a helment when skiing or snowboarding?

I wont go snowboarding without my helmet, and I'm so glad I do as I feel when i was learning and without my helmet would deffinetly have been knocked out as I felt a little ill after it even with my helmet on due to the fall being quite heavy.
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Re: Do you wear a helmet when skiing or snowboarding?

I always wear a helmet for ski-ing even though I'm extremely cautious - keeping to low speeds, etc.

Having sustained a brain injury in a bizarre, and minor, accident in my home a little over seven years ago (and still having to live with the consequences), I'm not willing to take the risk of further damage to my head!
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Old 19.03.2009, 19:44
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I remember when I started skiing some 7 years ago.

people where ashamed to wear a helmet. "you'll look like a beginner", they said, "only the kiddies on the idiot piste wear that".

I just got my helmet, and discovered that it was good for keeping your head warm too.....

I only falled on my head for the first time last february, with helmet on and 7 years after...., and I am thankful I allways did this with my helmet
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Old 19.03.2009, 19:44
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Re: Do you wear a helmet when skiing or snowboarding?

Perhaps it would be a good idea to introduce the law which says that wearing the helmet is as a compulsory item of snowsport's gear as it is in motorsports. Only then all the people would take it seriously and minimize chances of risk.
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Re: Do you wear a helmet when skiing or snowboarding?

I prefer to choose myself instead of just another law (and surely a hefty fine if you do not follow it).

I do wear a helmet, but I choose to.

The only problem I see is the increase in insurance costs (which is why health insurances run marketing campaigns to wear helmets when skiing or cycling). As I believe in the freedom to choose yourself, people who choose to not wear one should pay their costs themselves if their accidents become more expensive. Just as I believe that chain smoking cancer patients should instead of raising my costs, but not everyone agrees to my personal views on freedom...
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I remember when I started skiing some 7 years ago.

people where ashamed to wear a helmet. "you'll look like a beginner", they said, "only the kiddies on the idiot piste wear that".

I just got my helmet, and discovered that it was good for keeping your head warm too.....

I only falled on my head for the first time last february, with helmet on and 7 years after...., and I am thankful I allways did this with my helmet
No matter how much people would ridicule me and tease me about that. It is there to protect my head finish and klaar!
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To be honest I don't hold much weight in the media's assessment of whether helmets are useful or not. I have read a few papers in medical journals saying that they can be quite effective at reducing head injuries though.
One big problem when attempting to measure the amount of safety imparted by wearing a helmet is that statistical analyses can only be done on real data sets. In the case of helmet wearing, the data used by statisticians are reported numbers of injuries or deaths that occurred due to head trauma. They then look at this data and attempt to see if there is a difference between helmet wearers and non-helmet wearers.

What is more significant is the number of injuries/deaths that didn't take place because of people wearing helmets. However, this number can't be accurately assessed for two reasons:

1. Much of the data in medical studies/media reports comes from high-impact collisions/accidents where the relative effectiveness of a helmet is reduced. Running into a tree at 100 km/h is going to be catastrophic regardless of whether or not you wear a helmet.

2. More significantly, injuries prevented by helmets aren't ever recorded, and therefore can't be statistically analysed. If you're not injured and don't go the hospital, your helmet has done its job, but the statisticians don't know this.

To give examples from cycling, every serious cyclist I know has at least one story that involves him or her having their noggin spared by their helmet. I had a mountain biking accident as a teenager that resulted in third-degree road rash down one side and a completely totalled helmet, but my head (which was the initial point of impact with the ground) was fine. I once watched my husband do a slow-motion endo where he landed square on his head and cracked his helmet in two on a rock. Without a helmet, he would have surely split his head open and required stitches, and perhaps have suffered worse injuries than that, but (apart from needing a new helmet) he was fine.

Same goes for snowsports. Snowboarding I've whalloped my head on the snow a few times with no ill effects (thanks to my helmet), and I've seen many friends do the same. I know someone with permanent grooves in their helmet caused by a head-boundary pole collision, but both the pole (and boarder) were fine afterwards.

None of the above 'injuries prevented by helmets' have ever been officially recorded. This is why I take media reports and medical studies with a grain of salt. I do wear a helmet partly in the hopes of reducing catastrophic brain trauma in the event of a severe accident, but it is most useful at preventing moderate or minor injuries.

Anywho.

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Re: Do you wear a helment when skiing or snowboarding?

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I notice that you also put paragliding down as one of your interests.

Just out of curiosity, and perhaps to understand more about the perception of risk, do you wear a helmet in that activity?

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It depends how cold it is. Unlike skiing, you can't stop halfway down to warm your ears up.
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I know someone with permanent grooves in their helmet caused by a head-boundary pole collision, but both the pole (and boarder) were fine afterwards.
Does the person you know still use that helmet? Once the helmet has done its job, it is time for a new one. Once it has absorbed one shock, it is unable to do it again, so it becomes less effective. This is not necessarily visible.
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Re: Do you wear a helmet when skiing or snowboarding?

For what its worth, I wear a helmet cycling, skiing and motorcycle riding. I am against legislation that would tell me I have to... a law to protect me from myself..., but I will always wear one.

(I haven't felt the need to wear one while running, but with some of the falls I've had maybe I should. )
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One big problem when attempting to measure the amount of safety imparted by wearing a helmet is that statistical analyses can only be done on real data sets. In the case of helmet wearing, the data used by statisticians are reported numbers of injuries or deaths that occurred due to head trauma. They then look at this data and attempt to see if there is a difference between helmet wearers and non-helmet wearers.

What is more significant is the number of injuries/deaths that didn't take place because of people wearing helmets. However, this number can't be accurately assessed for two reasons:

1. Much of the data in medical studies/media reports comes from high-impact collisions/accidents where the relative effectiveness of a helmet is reduced. Running into a tree at 100 km/h is going to be catastrophic regardless of whether or not you wear a helmet.

2. More significantly, injuries prevented by helmets aren't ever recorded, and therefore can't be statistically analysed. If you're not injured and don't go the hospital, your helmet has done its job, but the statisticians don't know this.

To give examples from cycling, every serious cyclist I know has at least one story that involves him or her having their noggin spared by their helmet. I had a mountain biking accident as a teenager that resulted in third-degree road rash down one side and a completely totalled helmet, but my head (which was the initial point of impact with the ground) was fine. I once watched my husband do a slow-motion endo where he landed square on his head and cracked his helmet in two on a rock. Without a helmet, he would have surely split his head open and required stitches, and perhaps have suffered worse injuries than that, but (apart from needing a new helmet) he was fine.

Same goes for snowsports. Snowboarding I've whalloped my head on the snow a few times with no ill effects (thanks to my helmet), and I've seen many friends do the same. I know someone with permanent grooves in their helmet caused by a head-boundary pole collision, but both the pole (and boarder) were fine afterwards.

None of the above 'injuries prevented by helmets' have ever been officially recorded. This is why I take media reports and medical studies with a grain of salt. I do wear a helmet partly in the hopes of reducing catastrophic brain trauma in the event of a severe accident, but it is most useful at preventing moderate or minor injuries.

Anywho.

Heather
This is a problem with all injury studies This is part of what I actually do for a living (but different sport!). Generally to show a reduction in injury you first have to have a few good epidemiological studies, create a base line then introduce an intervention and see if the incidence of injury reduces. Unfortunately the scale of such a study for head injuries is neither ethical or practical. Therefore like you say they have assessed injuries that were reported to hospitals in and near ski areas. They also had people at the ski resorts counting the number of people entering the resorts who wore/carried helmets. You can find flaws with all scientific studies if you pick at them hard enough, but the ones that are there are the best that we have at the moment. The evidence does point to helmets reducing the risk of head injury.

Of course a catostrophic event is a catostrophic event and in some cases a helmet can't do anything. A head first crash into a tree is possibly going to lead to catostrophic neck injuries aswell as head injuries. Also a helmet can only protect your head against the direct blow and concussion or more serious brain injury is still possible through the contra-coup injury (brain banging off inside of the skull). Either way a helmet is the best protection we have available today, and the best evidence we have at the moment points to their effectiveness at reducing injury. We don't live in an ideal world and all injuries can not be prevented in any sport. Injury prevention is really more about injury reduction and a helmet can reduce the risk and severity of certain injuries.
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I do not, and if it wasn't mandatory to have one on a motorcycle, I'd not wear one then either.

I'm perfectly happy to take the risk of injury in exchange for the extra pleasure of being au naturel.
But when it's cold out, you need to wear something on your head to keep you from freezing, so it might as well be something that keeps you safer and warmer, rather than just the latter. Going "au naturel" when skiing/boarding would seem to compromise your comfort as well as your safety, and is therefore doubly stupid.
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But when it's cold out, you need to wear something on your head to keep you from freezing, so it might as well be something that keeps you safer and warmer, rather than just the latter. Going "au naturel" when skiing/boarding would seem to compromise your comfort as well as your safety, and is therefore doubly stupid.
That's kind of you to call me stupid.

Frankly, I'm not at all impressed with the majority of people on here with their self important opinionated views. I left england to get away from all that pomposity.

I think I'll stick to talking with swiss people. They understand about respect and friendship.

Anybody who wants to stay in touch with me, send a pm in the next day. After that I'm outta here.
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That's kind of you to call me stupid.

Frankly, I'm not at all impressed with the majority of people on here with their self important opinionated views. I left england to get away from all that pomposity.

I think I'll stick to talking with swiss people. They understand about respect and friendship.

Anybody who wants to stay in touch with me, send a pm in the next day. After that I'm outta here.
Don't take is personally - it could have turned into a more interesting discussion on the pros and cons of helmet wearing (and the people that choose not to wear them are in quite a large minority, according to the poll) but unfortunately, you are the only non-wearer with the guts to state your views here so it has been a bit one-sided.

All the others have chosen to stay quiet (which is their choice) but because of this, it does appear to be everyone against one person which is a bit unfair on you.

As it is, there have been some good points made on both sides.

Perhaps we'll meet on a paragliding hill. You won't know me but I'll recognise you as you'll be the only one (if it's warm) not wearing a helmet
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That's kind of you to call me stupid.

Frankly, I'm not at all impressed with the majority of people on here with their self important opinionated views. I left england to get away from all that pomposity.

I think I'll stick to talking with swiss people. They understand about respect and friendship.

Anybody who wants to stay in touch with me, send a pm in the next day. After that I'm outta here.
^^ you are opinionated too.... we all have opinions. post like this are unlikely to further your cause. why not just chill a bit?
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^^ you are opinionated too.... we all have opinions. post like this are unlikely to further your cause. why not just chill a bit?
But if they are all the same we don't really have a thread or at least there is no debate to it.

I know people who don't wear helmets for reasons ranging from they don't like them to the fact it makes their glasses wonky and the visual disturbance is more dangerous to them on the slope than having an uncovered head.

I'm lucky in the fact I have a comfy helmet (haven't found one that makes me look cool, yet) but everyone has the freedom to choose.
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Re: Do you wear a helment when skiing or snowboarding?

back on topic, i am a snowboarder and started wearing a helmet at the beginning of this season.

personally i am grateful for any protection that it affords me, and yes it has kept my head nice and toasty.

on the other hand, i do find it a little uncomfortable and definitely prefer the sensation of riding without it. i have thought about just leaving it at home sometimes but so far always wore it.

from an aesthetic point of view, i also find many helmets to be ugly and so i searched long and hard to find one which suited me from a design standpoint (yes, form and function are important, but in my own personal view, function should not exclude form).

therefore i went for a helmet from POC, which fits with my design ethics.

http://www.pocsports.com/products/pr....asp?id=10-Ski
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back on topic, i am a snowboarder and started wearing a helmet at the beginning of this season.

personally i am grateful for any protection that it affords me, and yes it has kept my head nice and toasty.

on the other hand, i do find it a little uncomfortable and definitely prefer the sensation of riding without it. i have thought about just leaving it at home sometimes but so far always wore it.

from an aesthetic point of view, i also find many helmets to be ugly and so i searched long and hard to find one which suited me from a design standpoint (yes, form and function are important, but in my own personal view, function should not exclude form).

therefore i went for a helmet from POC, which fits with my design ethics.

http://www.pocsports.com/products/pr....asp?id=10-Ski
poc are good helmets for what I have read, they provide extra protection for high speed crashes than the standard helmets.

I disposed my Salomon Mach2 helmet after the crash I had in february.

I am wearing my current Salomon essentials helmet ( it was the cheaper of the line, but is not ugly anyway ) until I have the next crash and I'd need to get a new one then would be the poc.
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