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Tour de France 2010: Two uphill finishes w/in 5km of Swiss borders

The route for the 2010 Tour de France has just been announced, click here for more info.



On Saturday, July 10th they will ride through the French Jura mountains to Les Rousses, which is just a few kms beyond the Swiss border after going over the Col de la Givrine, which is above Nyon (between Lausanne & Geneva). A few kms before the finish-line they will complete a 350m high climb up from Morbier/Morez, so it should be an aggressive finish, although the big boys will probably wait one more day to make their moves. [EDIT: I had been a little confused about exactly where the finish near Les Rousses in the Jura mountains was going to be, and now it appears that it will be in/near the village of Lamoura, which is about 10km SW of Les Rousses. It is near the Col de la Faucille, north of Geneva. It appears that they will be climbing up their from St. Cluade, which would be about 700m of elevation gain. So, it should be a real challenge and we might seem some people really light it up there.]

On Sunday, July 11th they will leave Les Rousses, then skirt around the edge of Geneva, before heading off to Mozine-Avoriaz, climbing over the Col de la Ramaz in between. From Morzine it will be an 800m climb up to the finish at the ski resort of Avoriaz. The climb has a few steeper kms near the bottom (7-8%), but then eases off in the second half (5-7%). The first mountaintop finish of the race normally sees some aggressive riding from the overall contenders, so it should be fun to watch (plus, the next uphill finish will not be until 7 days later, giving the climbers extra motivation to grab the yellow jersey here). Avoriaz is again just a few kms from the Swiss border (near Champery and the Val d'Illiez in Vallais/Wallis), but to drive there you'll have to take the long way around because of the mountains. Here's the profile of the climb from Morzine to Avoriaz:



Other highlights of the 2010 tour will include: a short Prologue in Rotterdam (the Netherlands), a stage finish in northern France just after a few sections of cobbled roads, two mountain-top finishes in the Pyrenees (including one on top of the Tourmalet), and a long time trial through the vineyards and chateaus of the Bordeaux region one day before the finish in Paris.

We ended up going on holiday last year and so missed the stage finish in Verbier. We won't be planning to do that this year, and will likely be going to see both of these stages. We'd be happy to have some company to help out with the pre-race road-side drinks and loud cheering.
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Re: Tour de France 2010: Two uphill finishes w/in 5km of Swiss borders

Thanks Chris - what would we do without you!?
Will book it in the diary for next year.. "gulp" Not used to being that organised!!!
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We ended up going on holiday last year and so missed the stage finish in Verbier. We won't be planning to do that this year, and will likely be going to see both of these stages. We'd be happy to have some company to help out with the pre-race road-side drinks and loud cheering.
I think you will certainly have some company from the Zurich cycling crew. We were totally hooked after the Verbier stage last July.
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Re: Tour de France 2010: Two uphill finishes w/in 5km of Swiss borders

looking forward to the battle of the big guns next year..but we will surely have a exciting ( tough) Giro to watch before the Tours build up starts in earnest.
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OMG you are so organized. Put us down for Coronas and homemade chips and salsa.
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Re: Tour de France 2010: Two uphill finishes w/in 5km of Swiss borders

Cool that they are doing the Col du Tourmalet twice one of my favorite climbs. Also doing the Port de Bales which is really hard, they only paved it three years ago...notice they aren't finish up there though as I guess it is not great for all the contingents.

I highly recommend a trip to the Pyrenese, it is my second favorite place to cycle (after the Swiss Alps of course)

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Re: Tour de France 2010: Two uphill finishes w/in 5km of Swiss borders

Im dead keen to head to a stage next year. Also wouldnt mind a weekend trip for the giro too
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Re: Tour de France 2010: Two uphill finishes w/in 5km of Swiss borders

There are some more details about the route on VeloNews.com. I had been a little confused about exactly where the finish near Les Rousses in the Jura mountains was going to be, and now it appears that it will be in/near the village of Lamoura, which is about 10km SW of Les Rousses. It is near the Col de la Faucille, north of Geneva. It appears that they will be climbing up their from St. Cluade, which would be about 700m of elevation gain. So, it should be a real challenge and we might seem some people really light it up there.
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ooo almost spitting distance from my house (St Cergue) will maybe open up a B&B bunkhouse for the friday night.
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My wife and I happen to be traveling from Munich to Paris over this weekend (on our way home to Seattle after four months here in Germany). We'd love to stop by Geneva on the way and take in the July 11th stage along the Ramaz climb. Can anyone offer any advice for transportation, accommodations, location, etc?
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Anyone? Nobody? Sigh. I can't even find a hotel that has ideas for the carless.
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Anyone? Nobody? Sigh. I can't even find a hotel that has ideas for the carless.
You're getting no responses because your questions are far too vague.

What type of accommodation are you looking for, and in which location?

What transportation do you have available? From your second post it sounds like you have no car. France is not very easy to get around without a car, especially in the mountainous areas.

Have you checked the local tourist office websites? If they don't have the info you want online, then try phoning them.
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Re: Tour de France 2010: Two uphill finishes w/in 5km of Swiss borders

Planning to camp overnight along the route up Col de la Ramaz. Anyone else planning to watch?
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Re: Tour de France 2010: Two uphill finishes w/in 5km of Swiss borders

hi,
I'm also interested in sunday's stage. I moved to switzerland from the US this year, so have never watched a stage live, and would appreciate any recommendations.

my naive idea is to take a train to geneva really really early in the morning and then ride the col de la ramaz before they come through, and then watch. if I'm reading the schedule correctly, they should roll through a little after 2pm? is that right? why are the caravan time estimates so far apart from the rider times?? hard for me to imagine the madness of people there, along with the fact that I can't figure out how to take any trains to anything closer to the route than geneva, so I'm having trouble figuring it out.

can people offer any advice on recommended ways to experience sunday that involves starting in zurich, seeing some fun part of the race, and riding some of the course myself? I might be up for camping if this is a good way to go and there are more details, but I suppose I'm more inclined to just be on my bike and not really carry anything with me. is that doable? perhaps there are others with a plan i might tag along with?

sorry for my cluelessness and thanks for your recommendations! look forward to your posts or pm with info.

ps I am clueless about navigating the whole race situation, but I am a strong rider and happy to ride far and high.
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Re: Tour de France 2010: Two uphill finishes w/in 5km of Swiss borders

Figuring out the best strategy for watching the event is not easy. The fact that you'll be on your bike makes things a lot easier, because often the police will let cyclists onto the closed roads long after they've stopped all the cars.

In the mountains, the roads can be closed to cars the evening before the race arrives, especially if they decide that all parking spaces on the roadside are now taken. Cyclists can still go up because it's easy for them to put their bike somewhere off of the road. When it gets closer to the advertising caravan arriving, and subsequently the riders themselves, the police will tell you to get off of your bike and walk it, or may not even let you go past at all. There doesn't seem to be any strict rules or guidelines about when this will happen, or if there are then they are changing all the time.

According to the schedule for Sunday's stage (see here), the advertising caravan is supposed to get to the start of the Col de Ramaz, near Messy, at about 14:15, and to the top of the Col at about 14:50. The road is definitely absolutely closed from that point on. The caravan can take as much as 30 minutes to go past, and is quite a spectacle in itself. The road continues to be completely closed between then and when the riders pass, which is expected to be between 15:45 and 16:15 in Messy and about 30 minutes later than that at the top.

So, the police are certainly going to stop you from riding up Col de Ramaz from 14:00 onwards, and may do so even if you arrive at 13:00 or earlier. It seems that no-one will be able to give any more solid information than this until you arrive there.

Since it is France, there are no convenient train stations or frequent trains. Riding from Geneva is probably the best option. The one way to shorten the ride would be to ride from Geneva train station to Annemasse train station, take the 11:18 train from there and get off at Marignier at 11:56, and ride again from there. However, this doesn't seem worth it to me.

One more option is to head to the final Avoriaz climb instead of Col de Ramaz. You could again ride there from Geneva nice and early, with no guarantees as to when certain roads will be closed. Or, you could take the train to Lausanne, ride down to the port in Ouchy (would take about 5 minutes) and then catch the ferry from Ouchy to Evian (bikes need an extra CHF 6 ticket, they don't accept SBB bike tickets). You could then ride to Morzine and hopefully ride up the climb to Avoriaz at least part way. The advertising caravan is supposed to come through Morzine at 15:15, and the road up from there will be closed WAY before that (probably the night before for cars, not sure about bikes). There is a back road to access the top of the Avoriaz climb by going through Les Lindarets to the Col du Joux Verte. I'm sure that will also be closed to cars very early on, but I don't see why they wouldn't let cyclists go up it. However, you'll then only get to the upper, pretty flat section of the Avoriaz climb; you would then have to go a couple km back down the climb to see the riders on the steeper parts where a lot of the action will take place and where you'll get a better look at everyone. Again, the police may not let anyone even walk down there once it gets close to the time of the caravan or race arriving.

So, here are a few options, with not many solid details, but hopefully something will work out well for you. I'm definitely going to watch on Saturday and Tuesday, haven't decided about Sunday yet, but if I do then I may go with the option that involves taking the boat to Evian.
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Re: Tour de France 2010: Two uphill finishes w/in 5km of Swiss borders

Hi All,

So, a last minute decision to try and come and see some of the tour, I was hoping some of you more knowledgeable people might be able to help. We've managed to get accomodation in La Cure for saturday night, we'll be coming down that morning from St. Gallen, so will get there around midday. I thought the finish on saturday was at Les Rousse, but an earlier post seems to indicate it's actually at Lamoura. As Les rousse was a comfotable 3km walk we were planning on walking to the finish line, but lamoura at 13km is a little bit further away. Does anyone know if there's any kind of busses or anything similar we can catch between La Cure and Lamoura that would still be running on Saturday? We can walk it if we have to, but it's a fair bit further than we were planning.

Also, does anyone know exactly where the start on sunday is? I assumed Les Rousee, but as that doesn't seem right for saturday it might not be right for sunday either...

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Re: Tour de France 2010: Two uphill finishes w/in 5km of Swiss borders

Thanks Chris for the info.

My current plan is to take the following route (Google Maps) which looks like it should avoid the actual route and bring me out near the top of Col de la Ramaz. Do you know if the roads are then open to cycle back the "wrong" way along the route once the race has gone past? Not sure I really want to take the hilly route all the way home again afterwards...

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GS - Taking that back way to get to Col de Ramaz is probably a good plan. Hopefully you'll be there early enough to go up Ramaz once you get to Chez Besson. After all the race and support vehicles have passed, there are not normally any restrictions about riding backwards along the route, they normally try to open it up quite quickly. There'll be lots of traffic, but at least you'll be on a bike.
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Super, thanks Chris. Now lets hope it's sunny
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So, a last minute decision to try and come and see some of the tour, I was hoping some of you more knowledgeable people might be able to help. We've managed to get accomodation in La Cure for saturday night, we'll be coming down that morning from St. Gallen, so will get there around midday. I thought the finish on saturday was at Les Rousse, but an earlier post seems to indicate it's actually at Lamoura. As Les rousse was a comfotable 3km walk we were planning on walking to the finish line, but lamoura at 13km is a little bit further away. Does anyone know if there's any kind of busses or anything similar we can catch between La Cure and Lamoura that would still be running on Saturday? We can walk it if we have to, but it's a fair bit further than we were planning.

Also, does anyone know exactly where the start on sunday is? I assumed Les Rousee, but as that doesn't seem right for saturday it might not be right for sunday either...
The start on Sunday is the easy bit, see this map. It actually starts in the community of Bois d'Amont, which is on the Swiss/French border on the road between La Cure and Le Sentier. After 10km they will pass right through the center of La Cure where you are staying, so you could just watch it from there.

Saturday's stage finishes a couple km NE of Lamoura, see this map. You are correct that it is not too close to La Cure. I doubt there is ever a bus running along that route. The best way to get there from La Cure would be by bike, or if you don't have one and don't want to walk then I would try hitch-hiking with all of the other cars that will be heading that way (or at least hitch-hike back at the end of the day). Since it is not a big town and many of the people heading to the finish area that day will stand somewhere along the climb instead of near the finish line itself, you should hopefully be able to get a pretty good spot not far from the finish line and within sight of the big-screen TV.

For those of us who do have bikes and want to see Saturday's finishing climb (which is certainly the best place to go for Saturday's stage) then it is the road going from St Claude to Lamoura (which is the one that I was hoping it would be in the original posts in this thread when the vague details were first being announced). Here is the official profile:



I'm still not sure whether the big guns are going to battle on this climb, or if they will all just watch each other and wait for Sunday to make their moves. Regardless of what the big boys do, there will certainly not be a sprint finish involving a big peloton, the main pack of finishers will probably not be very big (many of the sprinters may even get dropped on one of the five small categorized climbs that come earlier in the stage) and some people will be shooting for glory going up this climb, even if it is not the main contenders for the overall classification. I think there is a decent chance that a small breakaway that gets away early in the stage will survive and one of them will win the stage. That breakaway is likely to contain whoever has their eyes on the polka-dot jersey because there are quite a few mountain points to pick up on the climbs along the way. It would actually be a perfect stage for Jens Voigt to try to win, he does really well in breakaways on these medium-mountain stages. Unfortunately, he's probably going to have to stick with his team-mates Cancellara and A. Schleck and push the pace at the front of the main pack rather than going for personal glory.

The big selection on the climb is likely to be made in first 5km because that is the part that is reasonably steep, which is between the towns of Rochefort and Septmoncel along the Gorges du Flumen. Above and below that part of the climb, there are several intersecting roads that may provide good access to the route even when the main course is closed.

So my top picks for where to watch Saturday's stage would be:

1) Somewhere along the steeper part of the road in the Gorges. If the big boys decide to light up the stage, then this is where it will happen, but that may be unlikely.

2) In the village of Septmoncel - the village will probably have quite a lot of people in it all afternoon and will be a party atmosphere. Finding a cafe with a TV showing the earlier part of the race could be a great way to spend the afternoon (although many other people have probably had the same idea). By the time the riders arrive in Septmoncel, the steeper bit of road before will have them all spread out nicely so that you'll get a good look at many of them.

3) In the final 1 or 2 km before the road flattens out in Lamoura. If there is still a group of riders together at the front of the race at this time then someone will make their final bid to escape and win the stage around here. If the big boys are still together at this point, then they will stay together until the end of the stage - the road is not steep enough and the finish not close enough to the top of the climb to make it worthwhile for them to attack each other - they will then decide to save their energy for Sunday's stage, where things are almost certainly going to come alive on the last climb.

4) Near the finish line itself. There should be a big screen TV to watch the stage, plus you'll hopefully be able to get close enough to watch the prize ceremonies after the stage finishes.

Timing: In Rochefort, the caravan is due at about 15:00, and the riders between 16:25 and 16:50. Times for the stage finish are 45 minutes after that. Note that the riders sometimes go super-fast or super-slow (for various reasons) and so they may arrive up to 30 minutes before or after the earliest and latest expected times. The speed of the caravan is somewhat adjusted for this so that there is always at least 45 minutes between the end of the caravan passing and the first riders passing.

Anyone else got some good ideas?
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