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Old 19.11.2009, 14:31
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Snowboarding & Skiing - Everything in one place

Go here to discuss this season - and anything else snow related.
http://www.englishforum.ch/sports-fi...2009-10-a.html

Switzerland specific information
http://sites.google.com/site/swissalpineadventure
Eire has a site up giving information on Switzerland good place to start.

Which Resorts are open?
http://snow.myswitzerland.com/wintersportberichte


Where shall I go
Ski Resort Guide & Review 07/08/09
Which details the resorts people have been to and the conditions when they went. It will help you choose where to go.

If you are in Zurich this thread will help
http://www.englishforum.ch/sports-fi...day-trips.html


What about "official" reviews of resorts

http://www.ultimate-ski.com/Home/index.html

http://www.onthesnow.co.uk/reviews_guide.html

or my favourite
http://www.worldsnowboardguide.com/


What will the snow be like
:
Go here
http://snow.myswitzerland.com/snowreport?lang=en
click on the resort and look find out more detail.
or here
http://www.slf.ch/lawineninfo/schnee...daten/index_DE


Will it be cold?
http://www.meteonews.ch/index.php?se...er_ueb&lang=en


Off-piste and Avalanches
Thanks to Eire for his post
http://www.englishforum.ch/sports-fi...itzerland.html
The avalanche bulletin can be got each day at around 5pm from www.slf.ch There is a written avalanche report and a hazard map showing the risk levels through out Switzerland.
The regional avalanche bulletin is only available in German and is issued at about 8am on the day it is for.


To Ski or to Board
First off there is a rough guide written by me ages ago about Skiing v Snowboarding if you are undecided about which to choose.
http://www.englishforum.ch/sports-fi...wboarding.html

or look here for a professional opinion
http://www.snowboarding-essentials.c...ng/skiing.html

Where do I get my Equipment
Eventually you will want to buy all your own stuff, (especially your own boots) however to begin with rent.
Each resort will have a rental shop where you can go and wait in a long queue before being bullied by a taciturn Swiss fella. It's not a pleasurable experience and the equipment probably won't fit but its the way everyone starts.
The other option is a season long rental
http://www.skirental-zueri.ch/ (Zurich)
http://www.sportshopkarrer.ch/ (Basel)
In fact lots of shops will offer this service go out and have a look, ask here for recommendations.

You can rent helmets but all the other clothing you will need to buy yourself.

http://www.athleticum.ch/aktuell/akt...ardvermietung/
Also do cheap rentals and can be found all over Switzerland. You can check their online prices at the above site.


Clothing
You will need to buy
A Ski jacket
Ski trousers / salopettes (Do not buy day glow purple and yellow clothing, or all in ones, you will be laughed at)
Ski Gloves
Helmet
Goggles
If you are planning on boarding buy wrist protectors, you can get them built into your gloves.

Do not think you will go for the first time and wing it without this stuff.

Optionally you may also wish to purchase:
Thermal underwear (long johns)
Ski Socks
A coat with an Avalanche warning thingy
A rucksack
Back protector, arm pads, knee pads, wrist protectors (If you are a boarder you will need these sooner rather than later)
Balaclava

Can I drive there, are the passes clear?
http://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/verkehrs...eSect=490#pass
"Fahrbar" = Drivable
"Schneebedekt" = Snow Covered.
"Teilweise Schneebedekt" = Snow Covered in Places.
"Frei" = Open
"Gesperrt" = Road Closed
(thanks Eire)


How do I act responsibly once I am on the snow

http://www.nsaa.org/nsaa/home/
1) Always stay in control, and be able to stop or avoid other people or objects.

2) People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them.

3) You must not stop where you obstruct a trail, or are not visible from above.

4) Whenever starting downhill or merging into a trail, look up hill and yield to others.

5) Always use devices to help prevent runaway equipment.

6) Observe all posted signs and warnings. Keep off closed trails and out of closed areas.

7) Prior to using any lift, you must have the knowledge and ability to load, ride and unload safely.

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Old 19.11.2009, 14:37
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Re: Snowboarding- Everything in one place (also for skiers I guess)

What the **** am I doing on this Plank
I don't know much about skiing, I tried it and hated it.

Snowboarding has 5 rules
Tilt: putting the board on edge, be it the toeside or heelside edge, to engage the edge in the snow
Twist: twisting the board to engage one front of an edge in the snow while keeping the back of that edge unengaged
Pivot: pivoting the board under your body. You can make a bowtie-shape by pivoting over the centre of the board, or use the next “rule” to change the pivot point
Pressure Distribution or Flex: changing where your center of mass is over the board, or using your legs to actually distort the shape of the board
Movement Patterns: EVERYTHING you want to do on or with your snowboard is done by combining the previous 4 rules (or Board Performances) in what is known as a “movement pattern.” Think of it as a sequence of events.

Sounds hard? It is.
Go and take a lesson, don't try and figure it out yourself.
You will need to practice and decide what works for you, there is no correct way to do things, only a wrong way.


What about Equipment?

Boots
DO NOT BUY CHEAP BOOTS.
Seriously they are the most important part of your kit, do not skimp on them. You will be wearing them for a long time and they will hurt, try and get the most comfortable ones you can.
Try and buy Boots and bindings from the same manufacturer they will fit together better.
Some people advocate cramming your foot into a smaller boot so you can control your board better. Its up to you, comfort vs control is your choice.

Bindings
There are a lot of bindings. Make sure they fit together with your boots. Burton for example builds stuff into their toe straps and backs which matches up to their boots.

Either buy Strap bindings...they take longer to get in and out of and you have to sit in the cold snow whilst doing it, but you get more control.

Or buy Flows, easy to get in and out of, but aren't supposed to be as good for control.
(I own Flows because I like to board not sit on my arse getting cold)

Do not buy step-ins. They look like a good idea but aren't you will regret the purchase.

Boards
Forget all the stuff about height determining your board. The only thing that matters is where you will ride.

Types
Do you ride on Piste, do you like corduroy, are you a beginner. If so you want a freeride board. They are a stiffer and bigger (chuckle) than most other boards, and are designed to be ridden in one direction, the tail is shorter and narrower
This is the default do everything, good at nothing board which 50% of all boarders own.

Do you want to pop jumps and ride the board park?, then you need a freestyle board. It's wider, more stable, shorter and more forgiving to ride and is also a good choice for a beginner. These boards are bi-directional, meaning you stand in the middle and can go either way.
They will be the slowest boards on the piste and have a limited edge grip, you won't be able to turn as sharply or cruise as fast as others.

Are you the kind of guy who wants to explore the terrain off-piste and wallow around upto your armpits in fresh powder. You probably want an alpine board. They almost look like a big ski, and are thin long and narrow. They are designed to give a lot of grip and for going downhill fast. You will not be pulling any wicked knuckle dragger type tricks on one of these.
Do not buy one if you are a beginner, they are murder to control.

In short, if you are a beginner probably get a freeride board, it makes turning easier, if you are a more advanced switch to a twin board (bi-directional) and take it to the next level. If you want to spend your time riding off the back of a mountain get an alpine.

Camber
Most boards have a positive camber, that means the middle of the board won't touch the snow unless your fat arse is standing on it. The idea being that during turning you put weight on the centre and it touches the snow.
Negative or reverse camber boards are the exact opposite. They are designed to make control of your board in the parks a lot easier and less tiring.
I've never ridden one, but they get a lot of press and people love them.

Bevel
The angle between your edge and the base of the board. Most people ride a 0° bevel, i.e. 90°.
You can get boards with 1°, 2° and 3° bevels, these are mainly for board park freaks who want to jump on rails without getting hung up.

Once you know what type of board you want, just pick one that looks nice, you will have to look at it all day so pick one you like.
(Try not to pick a retarded design it just encourages board manufactures to keep putting skulls, ghosts and all other kinds of crazy s*** 3 year old designs on their boards.)
Burton make stiffer boards than most and are a good choice, Solomon are also good standard boards.
Some manufactures make Eco-friendly boards if you want to go that way, in the end it doesn't really matter, pick one you like.

How do I know what to buy
Demo the equipment before you buy. Most shops will let you do this and it is really the only way to tell.
If you are a women buy stuff made for women, most manufactures have stuff specific for the flowery sex. It will ride better for you and you will have more fun.

Weight and height
Go here and put in your details
http://www.snowboardlengthcalculator.com/
It will give you an idea of what length board you need.

Vocabulary
(Taken from another website.)
You will hear this stuff out on the mountain, probably on the first lesson.
Tips/Kicks: The upturned ends at either end of the board. They can be in a variety of shapes depending on who made your board & what model it is. The one at the front is called the Nose and the one at the back is called the Tail.
Leash: The retention strap that connects your board to one of your boots (usually). The leash typically is affixed to the bindings, and clips onto your shoelace or a keyring threaded onto the shoe lace.
Edge(s): The metal piece that runs all the way around the outside of your snowboard. This is the guy who makes all the magic happen.
Toeside: Conveniently enough, this is the portion of the snowboard closest to your toes. It's used to refer to the toeside edge, toeside turns, and is found in descriptions of movement patterns for freestyle manuvers.
Heelside: Likewise, this is the portion of the snowboard closest to your heels, and is also used to refer to the heelside edge, heelside turns, and is also found in descriptions of movement patterns.

Frontside (FS) Rotation: For a regular rider, this is a counter-clockwise rotation. For a goofy rider, this is a clockwise rotation.
Backside (BS) Rotation: For a regular rider, this is a clockwise rotation. For a goofy rider, this is a counter-clockwise rotation

Diagram showing almost every grab

FS rail trick: Any rail trick where the feature is in front of the rider as they approach it.
BS rail trick: Any rail trick where the feature is behind the rider as they approach it.
Frontside & Backside DO NOT in any way refer to the orientation of the rider's upper body to the feature, nor the direction they are "facing". The videos linked vary wildly in quality & length, but should give you a basic idea of what the trick looks like.
50-50: Both tips are parallel to the rail/box.
Nose Press: Same idea as the 50-50, but only the front half of the board is on the feature. The rider "presses" the nose into the feature such that the back half of the board isn't touching the feature.
Tail Press: Same idea as the 50-50, but only the back half of the board is on the feature. The rider "presses" the tail into the feature such that the front half of the board isn't touching the feature.
Boardslide: Front foot goes over the rail/box.
Lipslide: Rear foot goes over the rail/box.
Noseslide: Like a board/lip slide, except only the nose of the board is on the feature. The general rule is binding-to-tip contact only; if the feature is in between your bindings you're boardsliding it.
Tailslide: Like a board/lip slide, except only the tail of the board is on the feature. The general rule is binding-to-tip contact only; if the feature is in between your bindings you're lipsliding it.

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Old 19.11.2009, 14:44
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Re: Snowboarding- Everything in one place (also for skiers I guess)

I've started to throw together a website too with details on resorts, links to webcams, pistemaps and a short review of the resort. All the resorts in it are ones that I have been to personally and I hope to add to the list this season.

Its still a work in progress, but I hope to pad it out a little as the season progresses.
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Re: Snowboarding- Everything in one place (also for skiers I guess)

If your a boarder get wrist protecting gloves! especially if your a beginner, my mate decided not to shell out the extra 20chf or so and broke his wrist on his first day on the slope, then had to endure 3 days of constant pee taking from us
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Re: Snowboarding- Everything in one place (also for skiers I guess)

Very nice summary, thanks!

I'd only add that you could ride your snowboard in many different ways, not only in parks. For example, like the guy over here (the video is lengthy, first couple of minutes can be skipped)

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Old 23.11.2009, 11:03
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Re: Snowboarding & Skiing - Everything in one place

I am closing this thread as it is for information only

If anyone has anything good to add please can you PM Planthead or myself and we'll edit the info into the original post

Thanks
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