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Running Coach? change running styles...

Hi, 39yo male, started running last year, but suffered from joggers knee (too much, too quickly, bad shoes) so had a few months off.

Am now rested, good shoes, fitted insoles, knee getting better. Just did gait analysis etc at Sports-Clinic in Zuich (Excellent BTW - Dr Junger, english mother tongue, was brilliant and can recommend).

During gait analysis, physio gave me some advice about my running position but was difficult to understand and want some coaching on styles, changing my 'landing position' (shift from rear-foot to middle or fore-foot etc).

Anyone know where I can get a good running coach for 1 or 2 sessions at a reasonable price?

Any other tips are recommended, thanks, James
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Re: Running Coach? change running styles...

Read this, a great story and some amazing information about running

http://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Hidde...3392115&sr=8-1
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changing my 'landing position' (shift from rear-foot to middle or fore-foot etc).
for this, why don't you try Vibram Fivefingers. I've only had them for a few months, but they have made a very noticeable difference to my running style. It feels like you are running barefoot and you certainly don't want to heel-strike then.
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Re: Running Coach? change running styles...

Oh no, the Vibram strikes back! Niranjan - where are you buddy?

I've just been for a running style check up and have some insoles on order. Place in Dietikon. It's meant to correct a minor imbalance in the arch of my foot. PM me if you want details as they have advice on running too.

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During gait analysis, physio gave me some advice about my running position but was difficult to understand and want some coaching on styles, changing my 'landing position' (shift from rear-foot to middle or fore-foot etc)
Sounds to me like you're a heel striker, which basically is a result of modern shoes with loads of padding. I ran exactly the same way and spent some difficult months last year trying to change the way I run. The good news is it's really easy, the bad news is that you have to remind yourself every 20m or so to run properly :-)

If you walk around barefoot you'll notice that you dont land on your heels, for the simple reason that it hurts. What you need to do is train yourself to stay on your toes more and the only way to do this is to conciously do it. I find that if I concentrate on pushing off using my toes (land, foot rolls forward, push toes down, lift off) then my gait adjusts.

Find a nice soft running track (there's quite a lot of these wood-shaving tracks around) and spend some time running round it, and practice landing mid-foot. Taking shorter strides will help.
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Re: Running Coach? change running styles...

I was running for a while and started to get sore knees, so I read up and discovered 'barefoot running', which didn't get me running barefoot but did have me change my stride so that I was running on my forefoot.

This felt really natural and the impact on my body was much lower, but it put extra strain on my achilles which has resulted in an injury.

So what I learned was:
- use shorter strides and higher cadence - this was probably the biggest benefit of moving to forefoot running
- try to 'run softly' and reduce the jarring - forefoot/midfoot strike help with this
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- for any change to your running style TAKE YOUR TIME to adjust because otherwise it will end in injury.

Good luck!
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I was running for a while and started to get sore knees, so I read up and discovered 'barefoot running', which didn't get me running barefoot but did have me change my stride so that I was running on my forefoot.

This felt really natural and the impact on my body was much lower, but it put extra strain on my achilles which has resulted in an injury.

So what I learned was:
- use shorter strides and higher cadence - this was probably the biggest benefit of moving to forefoot running
- try to 'run softly' and reduce the jarring - forefoot/midfoot strike help with this
and most importantly:
- for any change to your running style TAKE YOUR TIME to adjust because otherwise it will end in injury.

Good luck!
Particularly agree with the advice above, sound advice in my experience, and here's my tuppence worth;
- To run shorter strides think about picking your feet up quickly as if running on hot coals (from time to time not all of the time)
and - to run softly listen to the sound your making and try to run quieter, using your muscles to pick your feet up rather than pounding joints into the ground.
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Re: Running Coach? change running styles...

the break will have done you good.

things to loook out for are heel pounding or flat foot landing , both not to be recommended.
i use hills ( there should be one near you !) to practise running forefoot, it works and you find you will slowly run like that more and more...even downhill which once you overcome the fear of falling gives you tremendous speed and forward momentum.

cant help with the track ....i use whichever one i can , but most swiss cities have one tucked away.

good luck and good running my friend.
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Re: Running Coach? change running styles...

Hi to all, thanks a lot for your advice, its really helpful and will try some of the techniques you mention. I guess my problem is as a newbie to running, I'm not really sure when I run if I land heel, flat or fore-foot first. Just a bit difficult to tell - I know it should be obvious.

I like the hot-coals idea and up-hill running also. Have just bought the book mentionned too.

If you know anyone or any clubs that can give an hours advice sometime on posture, landing position, then would be great too.

thanks again, happy running in the rain
James
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Re: Running Coach? change running styles...

Would agree with shortening your stride though I'm surprised this is a problem with a new runner. You may be lifting your knees too much. Also, pay attention to your posture and relax your upper body. Take it easy as well (I think you learned this already). I've been running since I was 13 but I still ease myself into it if I've take a signficant break from it (partially because the old body not only heals slower than when you're 20)

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/...8210-0,00.html
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Oh no, the Vibram strikes back! .

what's wrong with vibrams? Several people here have suggested that running barefoot would help and this is what the Vibrams are for - they take away the padding of the regular running shoes and force you not to heel strike, but use the front and middle part of foot. But my pedicurist would have a heart attack if I actually developed calluses hard enough to run totally barefoot.

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Re: Running Coach? change running styles...

..also, an important but much underrated factor with any physical activity is stretching. Make sure you stretch before and after you run in order to prevent injuries.
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Re: Running Coach? change running styles...

Some Muay Thai training would definitely condition you to balance on feet balls/mid foot whatever shoes you like training with...
Think about it
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..also, an important but much underrated factor with any physical activity is stretching. Make sure you stretch before and after you run in order to prevent injuries.
This one is open to debate LI. Although I stretch after runs, I never do before, preferring to just to start off slowly easing into my stride. I swear that stretching before running is detrimental to performance and never brought me any benefits.
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This one is open to debate LI. Although I stretch after runs, I never do before, preferring to just to start off slowly easing into my stride. I swear that stretching before running is detrimental to performance and never brought me any benefits.
Agree with this statement entirely.
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Agree with this statement entirely.
Actually I disagree. I don't think it is open for debate You must stretch after the run, not before. Period.

As for the barefoot running, I think one must also understand that what applies to a 80 kilo hulk may not apply to a 50 kilo figure; if a physio advises some inserts to correct an abnormality or a specific injury as in the case of Assassin, I would rather listen to him/her first, and experiment with barefoot or rather unsupported shoes very slowly.

For those who have been reading Born to Run, which heavily relies on Dr Lieberman's research, the scientist himself has disassociated himself from the journalistic view that barefoot it the way to go. All that research has shown up to now is that specialist shoes don't reduce injury, and probably cause injury when used unnecessarily; the "science" behind Nikes is probably a connery, that doesn't mean going barefoot or wearing fivefingers is the panacea. although it may look fashionable . I think not worrying too much about shoes is the best thing.

I also like Ptkate's tip to listen to the feet and not listen to ipods while running.

Sorry OP, no specific advise, but if I were you I would speak to a medical practitioner rather than a running coach for advice on such matters.
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This one is open to debate LI. Although I stretch after runs, I never do before, preferring to just to start off slowly easing into my stride. I swear that stretching before running is detrimental to performance and never brought me any benefits.
Totally agree stretching cold muscles is bad for you.
Stretching after a 5 minute warm up is definately benefical, try it and see how much better you feel when running.
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Stretching cold muscles before you run is beneficial, as you are stretching the muscles which are going to be used while you run and thus would be subjected to a much greater force of impact.
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Stretching cold muscles before you run is beneficial, as you are stretching the muscles which are going to be used while you run and thus would be subjected to a much greater force of impact.
Sorry stretching cold muscles doesn't reduce the impact and is definitely considered to be detriemental to performance these days.

We have a stretch reflex mechanism similar to the involuntary muscle reaction when you accidentally touch something too hot to prevent us over stretching but stretching cold muscles and being over enthusiastic with stretching will cause muscle fibres to tear, scar tissue formation and ultimately loss of elasticity in the very muscles you are trying to lengthen.
Dynamic stretching after a warm up period is generally the recommendation i.e. controlled movements that mimic the movements of the sport e.g. For your calf muscles, raising and lowering off a step. No bouncing or jerky movements which also used to be popular and has since fallen out of favour.
Self massage in the warm of your own home and rolling muscles using a pilates foam roller are also recommended ways of loosening muscles in order to get them to perform at their best.
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Stretching *after* running is the current wisdom these days. It's argued that your muscles have warmed up and are looser post-exercise and so you'll not only be able to stretch easier, you'll be stretching them further than if you were cold.
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