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Old 14.07.2010, 17:05
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When the weather changes and the cloud rolls in I would much rather have a good waterproof, map & compass than get lost but know my maximum climb rate. When it comes to personal safety i would leave it at the fact that most of the contributors here are adults with a modicum of common-sense. No need to preach to us and we leave the rest to those with more experience.
Sorry if it came across as preaching to you, I was merely responding to a specific point by dodgyken. Let me know if there's an issue there.

Thanks for the other points, I was thinking more along the lines of taking a very long detour instead of the planned descent on an alpine route in cases of bad weather, but I see your point. Appreciated
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Old 14.07.2010, 17:09
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Seems to me that everyone is discussing theory discussing theory on this thread now. Where are my hiking boots?
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Old 14.07.2010, 17:50
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The rough rule of thumb for full pack hiking is 20mins per km + 20mins per 150m altitude increase - not decrease - as it is assumed that you descend at the same pace as flat hiking.

Now this is a full pack estimate - and to be honest if you have a day pack you can drop those times to 15mins or less depending on your own personal fitness levels.

Good planning should dictate that if you are tackling a challenging route - then you should leave contact details and a planned route with someone - so if you run into problems - and specifically if you are very late - the alarm can be raised.

Hiking, whether light, day, full-pack or alpine, is not a race - but it is worth knowing what you can realistically achieve. In my view that only comes with hiking in different groups on different routes. Hiking isn't about an absolute measure of performance. If you get the calculation wrong by 10%, on a days hike it isn't going to a be a problem.

All that good training I had 20 years ago has finally been worthwhile
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Old 14.07.2010, 17:59
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Thanks, glad to see that not everyone is in fighting mood today hot day it was.

Mods: I am realizing the title must be annoying to some people, each time it comes up saying it is for only adults, it was meant to be funny at first, but maybe it has outlived its funny-ness. Can some kind mod please remove the offending part that is in parenthesis and make it age-neutral.

(which means all are welcome to the party now )
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The rough rule of thumb for full pack hiking is 20mins per km + 20mins per 150m altitude increase - not decrease - as it is assumed that you descend at the same pace as flat hiking.

Now this is a full pack estimate - and to be honest if you have a day pack you can drop those times to 15mins or less depending on your own personal fitness levels.

Good planning should dictate that if you are tackling a challenging route - then you should leave contact details and a planned route with someone - so if you run into problems - and specifically if you are very late - the alarm can be raised.

Hiking, whether light, day, full-pack or alpine, is not a race - but it is worth knowing what you can realistically achieve. In my view that only comes with hiking in different groups on different routes. Hiking isn't about an absolute measure of performance. If you get the calculation wrong by 10%, on a days hike it isn't going to a be a problem.
Thanks for posting the 'rule of thumb'. It's an interesting indication of one's fitness levels.

We did Rigi on Saturday (yes, it was persisting down + thunder and lightening for the descent ) on my MTB. That took us 3.5 hours to do approx 1300m climb (including 2 x 15min breaks to breast feed my daughter).

My husband would have done it a helluva lot faster if he hadn't waited for me ... and he was towing our 10kg (not so) little one in the chariot

I don't do the calculations to prove how fast or slow or whatever I go, but it's handy to know how fit I am so that it's easier to estimate how long hikes will take - I hate hiking without a clear idea in my head of where I am and how much time will be required to get up and down safely with enough light...and in time to get the compulsory heap of "schnipo" (SCHNItzel with POmmes) with a radler (or apple juice for me while breastfeeding) before the restaurants all close.
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Re: Alpine hiking (Adult content. Parental discretion advised)

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Is that to get people to read this post?



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Old 19.07.2010, 18:52
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I don't do the calculations to prove how fast or slow or whatever I go, but it's handy to know how fit I am so that it's easier to estimate how long hikes will take - I hate hiking without a clear idea in my head of where I am and how much time will be required to get up and down safely with enough light...and in time to get the compulsory heap of "schnipo" (SCHNItzel with POmmes) with a radler (or apple juice for me while breastfeeding) before the restaurants all close.


Just that, nothing more, nothing less. The rest? I can't help it if people want to bump this thread BTW you guys are impressively fit


The trip report of the Uri-Rotstock hike is now available in detail here; I am not aware of any other report in English, i am hoping it will interest some English speaker to try it now.




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Is that to get people to read this post?
Yes, it is.
Currently this is the only thread that I know of that discusses alpine hiking on the forum. Unfortunately it does not have celebrity endorsement unlike some other sports on the forum, nor does it enjoy support of an old-boys network, so it needs some additional marketing efforts (p.s. I have no commercial interest in this, but just love to talk about it, learn a bit more in the process, hopefully interest some others to try it, and maybe find some suitable hiking partners myself.

Lastly, the higher grades of alpine hiking are indeed serious stuff, hence the name "adult" (I am talking about the normal fit humans, not advanced mountaineers):

"A serious misunderstanding, leading again and again to tricky situations, is the belief that hiking stops where the Alpine [mountaineering] scale begins. In reality, an alpine hike in the upper range of difficulty of T5 and T6 is usually significantly more demanding than for example an Alpine tour with the rating F. A major difference from an easy Alpine tour is that in hikes of T5 and T6 difficulty rarely or never a protection with rope or other gear can be assured, so such a terrain must be perfectly mastered, which requires a high technical as well as psychological level. Typical examples are extremely steep grassy slopes, pathless steep slopes with bad rock or very exposed ridge passages. Due to the different characteristics a typical Alpine tour and a typical extreme hike can hardly be compared, but one can assume that a hiking route of T6 poses similar requirements as an Alpine tour in the range between PD and AD." Source
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Old 21.07.2010, 17:42
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I am not sure if Haute Cime is an alpine hike, some people rate it T3, and some, T4.


So let's say it's at the cusp, like young adults
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Old 31.08.2010, 23:57
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I have posted some of my pics pics on summit post, feel free to check them out here Actually CH has so much to offer, this is only a fraction of what i have been able to enjoy on the weekends. These pics may give context to my posts; these pics are mostly the ones I have talked about here. If anyone needs some info on anything that catches your fancy feel free to ask me, when I was new here I couldn't find my way around to Uetliberg let alone the Alps, no shame in asking and learning

My favourite pic is my profile pic there. It is actually some unnamed peak I went up spontaneously after dropping my bag with my partner to take care and just ran towards it. I was not 100% sure it was doable, but I found I could climb it smoothly and rapidly. For me it was a proud moment because I had climbed a grassy "North Face" a la Ueli Steck Now maybe a monkey or a child can climb faster than me on that, but still it was nice hiking that one up. But I do wish my son won't ask me details about it while he is still young
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Old 12.09.2010, 14:46
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My next interesting hike was

Schnide 2140m, Schild 2085m, Gross Schinder 2197m und Chli Schinder 2161m

Caveat: I was under the supervision of a highly experienced adult and even then I barely made it I posted it here more for entertainment than actually motivating people to do it.

The motivation behind our trip is funny. My partner realized no trip report exists on internet even in the local languages, non-existent markings, no gipfel book, all the ingredients for a delicious adventure, so we decided to do it.

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Re: Alpine hiking (Adult content. Parental discretion advised)

This sounds more like I was looking for. Is anyone planning any trips soon. Please PM me if you have a space.
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Old 17.09.2010, 15:34
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Rubbish - we want more photos of your climbing buddy not your hiking one
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Old 17.09.2010, 18:43
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This sounds more like I was looking for. Is anyone planning any trips soon. Please PM me if you have a space.
Cool, next two weekends are booked, but will let you know as soon as I have the next one available, I try to go almost every weekend

Email me if you want to be on my mail list for this stuff.

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Rubbish - we want more photos of your climbing buddy not your hiking one
I didn't understand
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Old 20.10.2010, 09:06
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There is a hiker's social at the Hikr.org this weekend. As part of that there will also be a hike as detailed here I know the organizer of this hike, and I can tell you it is going to be hard, not all of us will plan to keep up with him but will take an easier route and have escape plans. The social per se will happen with a hut stay (optional and independent) on Saturday where about 25 people are expected.

I am still not committed to participate primarily because I know only 1-2 people there, many of them don't speak English and I will be outnumbered 1:25...But will be a good place for you to seek out partners mountain nuts (I stopped calling myself one after meeting some of these guys; I am quite normal in comparison ). I think the Social will bring in some T2-T3 hikers as well.

Anyone enticed to join, PM me.
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Old 24.10.2010, 17:53
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OK, I was outnumbered 1:25, wished I had made attempts to learn German, and my taste buds aren't evolved enough to appreciate Fondue, but still it went off as well as it could under these circumstances

The hike was fab, with people opting to split and return or attempt easier peaks near by; age raneg 17 to 70+.

If I had discovered hikr last year, I certainly wouldn't be hiking up and down Rigi repeatedly, nor paying money and running mountain races mostly with my mind switched off There is seriously a lot of more interesting things to do/see here (for me at least).

Anyway, I can highly recommend Hikr for people seeking info/ideas for a wide range of mountains sports, rock to mountaineering, ski touring to hiking T1-T6, ideas that don't normally appear on English websites, usually cheaper and less crowded if that is what you like...the hidden jewels as I like to call them.

Hopefully I will never be posting again on EF looking for partners, Wow, 4 pages of spinning yarn and not one genuinely interested in joining me, and we already moved on to snow season

Edit: On a personal note, I must thank Longbyt for gently and helpfully suggesting to me to widen my net. Thnx LB, it worked.

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Re: Alpine hiking (Adult content. Parental discretion advised)

Has anybody here hiked up Titlis?
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Old 27.09.2011, 01:43
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The making of an EF Mountaineer

(linked for reference to anyone who was following this thread)



Titlis: I haven't given it serious thought, but I haven't found clear, ready answers either. My work colleague tried it 2 months back, said the last bit involves glacier travel, so they turned back. I think Basher also did something like that a while ago, try asking him if you are still interested.
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We are all hikers

Someone's perspective; thought it was interesting
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