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Old 10.08.2010, 15:06
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Ok sorry for being so flippant, there some people obviously who are in the dark about the 'sports' supplement business. Without laboriously copying and pasting large chunks from the BDA / FDA websites about sports dietetics I will summarize my objections to the posts i so rudely lampooned.
Uh sounds like a medical graduate. oh no sorry mechanical engineer...give the kid a bit of knowledge.

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1) The 'Sports' supplement industry is a business who's only aim is to make profit, all 'supplements' you buy from sports shops or body building mags/ shops are un governed by BDA or FDA supplement or food regulations. This means in plane terms they can put what they like (as long as it is not harmful) into the 'white powder' you buy from them. There are high protein shakes and nutrient shakes available that are regulated by FDA and BDA, for ill people, (e.g. complan, and renal support liquid meal mixtures). Un surprisingly these are only advertised in medical journals (they are for ill people, and are much cheaper).
True to an extent, but none the less some protein powders have been built on good reputation and they do work as supplements. Which is why i go for a reputable product. BDA is an association as such it does not endorse any commercial products.Its also a fact men and women have a recommended daily intake. Fall below this on a moderate training programme and there's the potential you will end up doing more dammage than repair. True 'you can only build a wall as fast as the builder can lay the bricks.' Again we talk of it as a supplement here, not some magic potion.


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2) long distance runners work through carbohydrate , fat reserves and finally protein reserves to train and complete a marathon, (in effect they break down their own bodies to compete).
Hang on you were waffling on about how long distance runners if anyone should be taking protein powers, these mythical powders of nonsense!
And now ok you're talking about catabolism ok. Actually youll find the best recovery for post marathon runners is fluid/electrolytes. Then some high GI snacks which help restore the imbalance and demand of your muscles attempting to recover their glycogen stores.
And again as other people have also stated, they actually base their diets on a LOWER protein ratio. Quality fuel and liquids for their lean burn efficient engines is the name of the game.


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Strength athletes don't do this, muscle does not directly equate to protein and more protein does not equate to greater muscle mass. It is perfectly possible to be a vegetarian body builder, diet must form a balance in every situation, more protein = your body (liver and kidneys) working at 100% full tilt to flush out the excess, or easily converting the protein to fat reserves.
Im not quite sure what your point is, you're just anti the whole food supplement industry maybe and diss anyone who buys their products? True Vegetarians just have to mix incomplete protein food sources to ensure complete protein nutrition is gained, and so what?


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3) No long term studies on ill effects of this protein stuff max whey and alike, (probably because there mostly chalk dust and sugar), if it makes you feel better then maybe you should do it, like believing in God or praying... It is no substitute for hard work. Long term use will probably lead to kidney or liver damage, it depends how tough your liver and kidneys are, but people who are susseptable to kidney damage could be at risk, why risk it? External strength is no indication of internal health.
As many others have pointed out, Protein powders may be more convenient and as economical on a gram per gram basis as lean meats such as chicken or fish. Although they certainly do not taste as good alone they can be blended with fruits and dairy products. Protein in excess of what the body requires is simply excreted or converted to fuel for the body. Yes Kidney/Liver dammage not to be sniffed at, and yes excess proteins are stored as fat yes blah blah.

Im intrigued as to why my previous post 'cracked you up'
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Old 10.08.2010, 15:10
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For the sake of a sensible debate on this issue (ie: is a good training regime benefitted by using whey supplements), can we not please just assume that people discussing protein intake know how to have a reasonable diet, and know the right exercises? I think otherwise the topic will go off-track a bit.
Fine but I don't believe in promoting protein shakes in the forum as health food. I can get addicted to them but they are not a healthy alternative.

Also for those who think that the turtle bell is from GH or other chemical / drug muscle builders, I have been advised that it isn't. It is due to GBH to the inner organs ingesting massive amounts of meat, that remain in the gut undigested, so they really are packing meat and are crying out for bran. I cannot digest meat without problems.
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Old 10.08.2010, 15:17
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I'm wiht Johnny la Rock on this- especially concerning teenagers.
However proteins can be stored as fat- I never knew that on that premise wouldn't the Atkin's Diet backfire?

Anyway I'd better get of my gluteus amximas protein pad and do something.
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Old 10.08.2010, 15:22
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Well there are no 'reputable brands' mega doses are flushed from the system, you probably intake more than enough protein in your regular diet for any type of exercise, i wasn't advocating long distance runners actually take this stuff, there is no medical evidence to support the claims, and I am talking from a scientific basis, the respected medical community would agree with me.
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Fine but I don't believe in promoting protein shakes in the forum as health food. I can get addicted to them but they are not a healthy alternative.
And you're doing exactly what Richdog says not to do, you're going off track.
The simple question was, should i take protein powders?

Not 'should i supplement my meals with protein shakes as a healthy alternative to a balanced meal???'

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Well there are no 'reputable brands' mega doses are flushed from the system, you probably intake more than enough protein in your regular diet for any type of exercise, i wasn't advocating long distance runners actually take this stuff, there is no medical evidence to support the claims, and I am talking from a scientific basis, the respected medical community would agree with me.
sure.

In fact maybe you're just a bit shy of excercise yourself?
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Fine but I don't believe in promoting protein shakes in the forum as health food. I can get addicted to them but they are not a healthy alternative.
Sorry did I miss the part where someone promoted it as health food?
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Re: Is Protein Powder good for work out in gym ?

I would ask, what is the source of proteins in these protein "powders?"
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Sorry did I miss the part where someone promoted it as health food?
I thought it was kind of implied by the title of this thread, the discussion of which is the best and the fact that is promoted as such by health food stores etc. Some fast on them thinking of it as a healthy purge. I now realize how silly I was to forget that an excess of anything can make you fat. I should know from guzzling protein shakes, plus some of them carry a lot of sugar or energy.
However is interesting about Creatine:

Cognitive ability

A placebo-controlled double-blind experiment found that vegetarians who took 5 grams of creatine per day for six weeks showed a significant improvement on two separate tests of fluid intelligence, Raven's Progressive Matrices, and the backward digit span test from the WAIS. The treatment group was able to repeat longer sequences of numbers from memory and had higher overall IQ scores than the control group. The researchers concluded that "supplementation with creatine significantly increased intelligence compared with placebo."[24] A subsequent study found that creatine supplements improved cognitive ability in the elderly.[25] A study on young adults (0.03 g/kg/day for six weeks; e.g. 2 g/day for 150-pound individual) failed, however, to find any improvements.[26]
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and I am talking from a scientific basis, the respected medical community would agree with me.
Just a pity none of them have chipped in to give your ideas a grain of credibility.

As I used to run a lot when I was younger I am now worried my heart is going to stop because of overuse.
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I would ask, what is the source of proteins in these protein "powders?"
No whey did you just ask that question...
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No whey did you just ask that question...
Not all "protein powders" are sourced from "whey" and one should choose carefully.
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I would ask, what is the source of proteins in these protein "powders?"
Classic example of not reading a thread, not understanding a thread but deciding to chip in with a useless comment. Nice work!!
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Just a pity none of them have chipped in to give your ideas a grain of credibility.

As I used to run a lot when I was younger I am now worried my heart is going to stop because of overuse.
Your heart is a muscle and is completely different situation, your kidneys filter your system, the more rubbish you put in the more they have to work, this puts strain on them, and they cannot re-grow, (your liver can to a certain extent), any substance in large doses is bad for you, alcohol is a good example here. Your body forces you to keep things balanced to its own detriment, why force it to combat your attempts to poison yourself?
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Classic example of not reading a thread, not understanding a thread but deciding to chip in with a useless comment. Nice work!!
The title fo the thread is "Is protein powder good for work out in the gym" and I only pointed out, care must be taken as to what kind of "protein powder" to use, i.e. from what source.

Now back to "classic" examples.
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Why? As far as I know the main sources are either whey, egg or soy. Is either one of these sources better than the others? Or are there powders that have another protein source that should not be taken? Just curious to know.

Whey seems to be most common these days. Although I wouldn't know what the benefit is compared to the others (other than easier and therefore cheaper mass production)

To the OP: it depends on your goals/the reasons for working out. If you want to add (serious) muscle mass, you may benefit from a protein supplement, depending on your diet. All in all, a post-workout protein shake won't harm you and may help your body to recover easier.

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Just a pity none of them have chipped in to give your ideas a grain of credibility.

As I used to run a lot when I was younger I am now worried my heart is going to stop because of overuse.
I suppose that the same could happen with orgasm overuse concerning the heart. How are your knees? I wonder about protein sources. In the US breast development is increasing apparent in 7-8 year-olds. I put this down to Hormones including growth hormone in meat and milk. Surely if the amount ingested, albeit from a secondary source, is increased then it will have an affect? I get my protein from nuts.
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Why? As far as I know the main sources are either whey, egg or soy. Is either one of these sources better than the others? Or are there powders that have another protein source that should not be taken? Just curious to know.
Yes there can be some differences, depending on your metabolism and what you want to achieve one can be better than the other. Some proteins are easy (faster) to digest, others take time to be fully digested. Soy protein is kind of controversial, just to give you examples.

There is enough material to read on internet and in health magazines.
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Yes there can be some differences, depending on your metabolism and what you want to achieve one can be better than the other. Some proteins are easy (faster) to digest, others take time to be fully digested. Soy protein is kind of controversial, just to give you examples.

There is enough material to read on internet and in health magazines.
Of course the internet and health magazines is where you should look for all your medical answers, oh, as long as they are not reputable medical institutions or accredited medical/scientific bodies.

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Of course the internet and health magazines is where you should look for all your medical answers, oh, as long as they are not reputable medical institutions or accredited medical/scientific bodies.

So how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? I say 37!
I am reading your posts on the internet too.
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