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Well ok one last post, OFCOURSE YOU CAN, Arni was winning Mr. universe before this 'protein milk shake' nonsense was even thought up, the 'sports' supplements first came on the market early to mid 1980's. Arni has probably never touched the stuff.

THEY ARE BIG BECAUSE THEY ARE ON STEROIDS.

And train very hard, but yeah it’s the steroids dude, they work, medically proven.
I am not sure, the transformation that I saw in the man who left his protein behind at my house was major, however he was still young. He potentially had the genetics for big muscles which in my family don't appear until about 28 years old for some reason. I just spent a few weeks with my younger brother, walking around London I realized how his body and deep voice scare people, but he has never joined a gym or taken protein shakes. If you are under 28 I would say steer clear of the extra protein as you might get more than you bargained for- like massive stretch marks and a freaky appearance. It is easy to get hooked on watching muscles grow and working out. I see loads of buff men at the gym, I don't think it is attractive and many women agree with me.
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Are you trying to say STEROIDS are better than Protein shakes?
All I am saying is if you where a top level sprinter or power athlete who needed an edge to win you would win with the steroids and not the milk shakes, because of that trusty thing called medical science. Medical science has done more for no good sports cheats than any stupid milk shake. If the science says 'yes it works', then so do I. That is non biased info at its best.
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I am not sure, the transformation that I saw in the man who left his protein behind at my house was major, however he was still young. He potentially had the genetics for big muscles which in my family don't appear until about 28 years old for some reason. I just spent a few weeks with my younger brother, walking around London I realized how his body and deep voice scare people, but he has never joined a gym or taken protein shakes. If you are under 28 I would say steer clear of the extra protein as you might get more than you bargained for- like massive stretch marks and a freaky appearance. It is easy to get hooked on watching muscles grow and working out. I see loads of buff men at the gym, I don't think it is attractive and many women agree with me.

look i don't know and I don't like to speculate, but you can only develop lean muscle that quickly with the aid of growth hormone, or maybe his lifting technique was top notch, I can be safe in saying it wasn't the protein bloody milk shakes.
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All I am saying is if you where a top level sprinter or power athlete who needed an edge to win you would win with the steroids and not the milk shakes, because of that trusty thing called medical science. Medical science has done more for no good sports cheats than any stupid milk shake. If the science says 'yes it works', then so do I. That is non biased info at its best.
Dude, Im not on about medical science or even circumcsion! All I asked was are STEROIDS better than protein shakes? (As in, no side effects etc.)
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look i don't know and I don't like to speculate, but you can only develop lean muscle that quickly with the aid of growth hormone, or maybe his lifting technique was top notch, I can be safe in saying it wasn't the protein bloody milk shakes.
in your opinion. I think it was the shakes.

Though I do agree that good quality Human Growth Hormone will turn you into arnie in no time.
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Dude, Im not on about medical science or even circumcsion! All I asked was are STEROIDS better than protein shakes? (As in, no side effects etc.)
You'd have to be insane to use steroids, but at least you wouldn't be a reality denying milk shake fiends.
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Dude, Im not on about medical science or even circumcsion! All I asked was are STEROIDS better than protein shakes? (As in, no side effects etc.)
Not better, just far more effective.
I was involved in professional sport in my younger years and unfortunately there is actually no proven benefit from using the protein shakes. This is one of the reasons none of them carry a FDA (or equivalent) approval. Basically I could dehydrate a couple eggs add some Tabasco and sell it as the "Greatest Protein Shake to ever hit the market".

When building lean muscle it is DNA that actually plays the biggest role. After that it's down purely to exercise and diet. Balanced diet. If you up one component of your diet it throws your whole metabolism off. I've spent many years listening to some of the worlds best sport dieticians and they all agree that you need to balance your diet, work hard and hope you have the right DNA for your desired results. Most if not all of these diet supplements are great for the placebo effect. i.e. If you drink your shake you will be more likely to actually go and exercise.

Creatine on the other hand must be used with caution. There have been some links made with heart problems and the use if creatine. Don't forget the heart is a muscle too.
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You'd have to be insane to use steroids, but at least you wouldn't be a reality denying milk shake fiends.
Ok, how about 2 doses of Hippy Shakes, do they work?

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Don't forget the heart is a muscle too.
Now it all makes sense. I have been having really fatty greasy diet al my life and hence my brain developed fairly well!

Now Im trying protein shakes to make my weak heart grow strong.
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Basically I could dehydrate a couple eggs add some Tabasco and sell it as the "Greatest Protein Shake to ever hit the market".
Which niely brings us to my initial point regarding the source of "Protein" powders.

How much milk, eggs or whatever would be needed to produce, say 1kg of Protein in powder form. Does the price reflect the cost, UNLESS it is just some relatively harmless kind of powder consisting mostly of sugers!

Having chic peas or Humous can give you the same energy levels, but in natural healthy way!
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Which niely brings us to my initial point regarding the source of "Protein" powders.

How much milk, eggs or whatever would be needed to produce, say 1kg of Protein in powder form. Does the price reflect the cost, UNLESS it is just some relatively harmless kind of powder consisting mostly of sugers!

Having chic peas or Humous can give you the same energy levels, but in natural healthy way!
I once had a money making idea with a sports scientist friend of mine consisting of buying the family size wholesale 'SMASH' instant mash powder and re-branding it with a sparkley 'MEGA MASS MUSCLE MEGA MEGA POWWWWER PROTEIN!' label, and selling it to all the meat heads at the local gym for £80 a pop. Their carbohydrate intake would have kept them working!
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I once had a money making idea with a sports scientist friend of mine consisting of buying the family size wholesale 'SMASH' instant mash powder and re-branding it with a sparkley 'MEGA MASS MUSCLE MEGA MEGA POWWWWER PROTEIN!' label, and selling it to all the meat heads at the local gym for £80 a pop. Their carbohydrate intake would have kept them working!
One of my friends actually did that! (Forcing me to pretend to be a practitioner from another branch office in front of his clients, once)

It was not the "Protein PoWER Powder" business, but guess what? It was the "slimming diet" consultancy.

Same crap! All harmless shakes, biscuits and energy bars, which keep you going, does not to do anything much. The weight you loose is by cutting down your diet and some work outs! The "diet pack" he sold would not have anything more than placebo effect.

Most business ideas revolve around stupid people anyway.

BTW where are all the Protein Powder pros now, who were making big claims a while ago
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Old 11.08.2010, 18:30
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I'm safe now I prefer my hummus to whey protein. Now I just need something to replace the Creatine. I am finding it difficult to resist the urge to binge on it and see the before and after results. Also I started to think of steroids. My dentist gave me some dexamethasone and told me to be careful as it was a steroid. So I looked it up; unfortunately or perhaps fortunately it is the wrong sort-catabolic instead of anabolic. So I suppose rubbing large amounts of hydrocortisone into my muscles won't work either as they are also catabolic. People who are recovering from serious illnesses like cancer (Lance?) or aids may have anabolic steroids prescribed to build them back up.
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Old 11.08.2010, 18:35
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BTW where are all the Protein Powder pros now, who were making big claims a while ago
One of my favourite lines from a movie "Go sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here"
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I'm safe now I prefer my hummus to whey protein. Now I just need something to replace the Creatine. I am finding it difficult to resist the urge to binge on it and see the before and after results. Also I started to think of steroids. My dentist gave me some dexamethasone and told me to be careful as it was a steroid. So I looked it up; unfortunately or perhaps fortunately it is the wrong sort-catabolic instead of anabolic. So I suppose rubbing large amounts of hydrocortisone into my muscles won't work either as they are also catabolic. People who are recovering from serious illnesses like cancer (Lance?) or aids may have anabolic steroids prescribed to build them back up.
Just have some Cola, preferably the real one from Bolivia not the commercialised US version Coca Cola, with your hummus and you would'nt need creatine.
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One of my favourite lines from a movie "Go sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here"
They are probably kids having a suger rush, where hands type faster than brain actually thinks.

I do like to entertain them though, for a while, for idle musings.
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They are probably kids having a suger rush, where hands type faster than brain actually thinks.

I do like to entertain them though, for a while, for idle musings.
It was actually amazing to me, the head to head I was having with those guys, they where true believers in the faith, just more unthinking tools of the supplement industry. Reminds me of a debate I had at Uni with a 'born again christian' either they are truly crazy or just not willing to think for themselves. I guess when you spend all your money on that crap you kind of have to eat it, and preach about it.
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I'm not sure why guys bulk up. It only ever makes their ding-a-ling look smaller.
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I'm not sure why guys bulk up. It only ever makes their ding-a-ling look smaller.
Is size important to you?
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Well ok one last post, OFCOURSE YOU CAN, Arni was winning Mr. universe before this 'protein milk shake' nonsense was even thought up, the 'sports' supplements first came on the market early to mid 1980's. Arni has probably never touched the stuff.

THEY ARE BIG BECAUSE THEY ARE ON STEROIDS.

And train very hard, but yeah it’s the steroids dude, they work, medically proven.
Uh oh he seemed to be drinking them, how, the flux capacitor? That's right and Arnie just sipped an extra glass of milk before bedtime . He used a combo of roids and protein.

http://www.howtobefit.com/body-building-nutrition.htm


"Protein shakes, composed of ingredients available at the time, were always part of Arnold's nutritional plan. His mix of choice was two glasses of milk, 1/2 cup of nonfat milk solids, one egg and 1/2 cup ice cream, all mixed in a blender. These protein drinks often replaced smaller whole-food snacks." - haha what a fool!
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I once had a money making idea with a sports scientist friend of mine consisting of buying the family size wholesale 'SMASH' instant mash powder and re-branding it with a sparkley 'MEGA MASS MUSCLE MEGA MEGA POWWWWER PROTEIN!' label, and selling it to all the meat heads at the local gym for £80 a pop. Their carbohydrate intake would have kept them working!

Ill still stand by my original advice that "cracks you up"

Is Protein Powder good for work out in gym ?

the poster was enquiring about shakes, i gave him what i felt was some handy tips on nutrition and training, i wasn't really attempting to push him down the road of protein shakes, apart from a post workout method, which i was recommended from a 'proffessional' i stand to be corrected.

As someone else pointed out i thinks it's the way you weighed on here with your sweeping statements backed with some irrelevant BS/intelligent facts and research mixed with a teenage inetptitude. (no offence other teenagers)

All of that aside you've raised some interesting arguements, which is a good thing, i have taken this arguement to some of the leading protein manufacturers for opinion. Lets see what they have to say. You could hold them to ransome with some sort of 'gagging order' on your rambles.. i could chip in on that

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