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So you too agree a post workout shake with the right ingredients (inc protein) can have some benefit?
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Old 12.08.2010, 16:20
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OMG look, here's some (ok, a lot) of actual scientific studies performed by real Doctors and researchers and stuff about the benefits of Whey protein in many areas http://www.wheyoflife.org/references/references_wpi.pdf

When you provide some of worth Johnny, we will take you seriously. Regardless of this, I think everyone here should just at least agree to disagree... otherwise this will just go around in circles ad infinitum.
I hit the link that you provided and had a cursory glance at the research papers. Many of the papers discuss the beneficial properties of milk from which the whey products are derived. While I am a firm believer in the goodness of milk for the lucky lactose tolerant (daily I drink a lot of the stuff about 1 litre skimmed, organic, no antibiotics) I don't like the fact that many of the powdered Milk protein shakes use whey from poor quality milk.

Consumer Reports, which has almost become the bible and watchdog for dodgy products has raised the alarm over three shakes in particular- as the video I posted earlier shows. If you are tempted to take more than 3 shakes a day then you are taking more than the recommended daily allowance of cadmium, arsenic etc. Bodybuilders can easily overload.and truly become knuckleheads.

Apart from this, now I know that I am a skeptic, but look at where you got the research from THE WHEY INSTITUTE! Don't you think that they might have a slight financial interest in promoting protein shakes, that they wouldn't lobby on behalf of these products? I know that they are mentioned in LIVESTRONG but I am hoping that being an educated man you would have gone a little further for your research, than their website.

I am looking for articles where the Whey Institute discuss the heavy metals and quality of milk in whey products, so far I haven't found one, but you never know so I'll keep looking. Maybe they really are a bonafide institute and not just whey industry lobbyists.
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I hit the link that you provided and had a cursory glance at the research papers. Many of the papers discuss the beneficial properties of milk from which the whey products are derived. While I am a firm believer in the goodness of milk for the lucky lactose tolerant (daily I drink a lot of the stuff about 1 litre skimmed, organic, no antibiotics) I don't like the fact that many of the powdered Milk protein shakes use whey from poor quality milk.

Consumer Reports, which has almost become the bible and watchdog for dodgy products has raised the alarm over three shakes in particular- as the video I posted earlier shows. If you are tempted to take more than 3 shakes a day then you are taking more than the recommended daily allowance of cadmium, arsenic etc. Bodybuilders can easily overload.and truly become knuckleheads.

Apart from this, now I know that I am a skeptic, but look at where you got the research from THE WHEY INSTITUTE! Don't you think that they might have a slight financial interest in promoting protein shakes, that they wouldn't lobby on behalf of these products? I know that they are mentioned in LIVESTRONG but I am hoping that being an educated man you would have gone a little further for your research, than their website.

I am looking for articles where the Whey Institute discuss the heavy metals and quality of milk in whey products, so far I haven't found one, but you never know so I'll keep looking. Maybe they really are a bonafide institute and not just whey industry lobbyists.
Of course, they have an undeniable interest in promoting Whey, but the articles they refer to are at least bonafide studies, and tat the bottom of the pile are the ones related to working out.
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Old 12.08.2010, 16:30
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Hopefully the bad protein shakes will be replaced by better protein shakes, but the whey industry is big industry the bigger the profit the better- want to invest?

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Nutrition industry to drive whey proteins growth

The US and European Whey Proteins market is set to reach 472.3 mn pounds by 2015, driven largely by functional advantages of whey proteins and surging demand from nutrition industry.The United States and Europe dominate the global whey proteins market.

The growing nutrition industry, which includes sports nutrition, dietary supplements, functional foods and clinical nutrition, is the principal driving force for the market growth. Moreover, high-end whey protein isolates (WPI), whey protein concentrates (WPC) and whey protein hydrolysates (WPH) are exhibiting substantial growth rates, owing to the rising demand from nutrition and health segments. With an enhanced focus on technological and functional properties, WPI, WPC and WPH are anticipated to widen their field and scope of application.

Key players profiled in the report include Arla Foods Amba, Cargill Inc, Dairy Farmers of America Inc, Davisco Foods International Inc, Erie Foods International Inc, Foremost Farms USA, Glanbia PLC, Grande Custom Ingredients Group, Hilmar Cheese Company, Leprino Foods Company, and Royal FrieslandCampina, among others. (Courtesy:PRWeb)
http://www.commodityonline.com/news/...28798-3-1.html
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Old 12.08.2010, 16:39
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Everyone will have a differnet opinion depending on what they themselves prescribe to or not.

Bottom line is do what feels best for you and not what others tell you. Your best friend is your own body. Listen to it. Learn to understand it.

If you are really training that hard, first analyze that, do you really need to? What are your objectives? Are you trying to achieve something special or just wish to stay fit? Good health and being fit does not require extreme regimes. At the end of the day do you feel you are lacking strength etc.? Maybe it is better to cut down on your training rather than up it. Again that depends on your ultimate aim.

Lastly remember if you are relatively younger, in my opinion it is easier and better to form a habit of excercise that you can easily and safely carry on with as your grow older and lazier. Building big bulk has a lot more disadvantge than advantage.

In my experiance most of all the people who pushed the limits when they were young ended up looking like a water melon later on in life.

Good luck which ever way you decide to go.
Yes.....my (ex) brother-in-law did all this and more. Now, a few years later, he looks exactly like a watermelon!!! (Except he's not green....)
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Old 12.08.2010, 16:58
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# The FRS Company announced a new three-year agreement to support LIVESTRONG. Under the agreement, The FRS Company will commit a total of $750,000 to LIVESTRONG over the next three years and will be designated as the exclusive energy drink/isotonic beverage sponsor of the Team LIVESTRONG series. The FRS Healthy Energy logo will appear on the back of Team LIVESTRONG cycling jerseys and throughout the LIVESTRONG website, advertising and promotional displays.

http://www.bevnet.com/news/2010/5-12...rong_agreement

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
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Old 12.08.2010, 17:14
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I have the strongest right arm of anyone I know - all that without protein shakes.
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I have the strongest right arm of anyone I know - all that without protein shakes.
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Old 12.08.2010, 17:26
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So you too agree a post workout shake with the right ingredients (inc protein) can have some benefit?
I love milk ( well I go off it from time to time when I think of the pus in some if it, but I try not to think of that) I Love the taste of dried milk, just don't want to eat the junk in shakes and pay through the nose for it. I am as gullible as anyone else- I bet the protein and creatine powder left in my house will be gone before the end of the month- gone down my throat.
i went to hide it and found more in the basement! The man who left it is embarrassed about how much he spent on it he won't touch it now.
To me it tastes delicious- I can't stick to one drink a day.

I just read the new hype about cholustrom health drinks- euuuwh!
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Of course there's a difference, and the amusing thing is that Johnny is more guilty of preaching here than the people advocating the protein shakes. He said he was going to "stop the discussion" about 10 posts ago, yet continues to post the same tripe compariing everyone to "Christian fundamentalists". Fact is he has not posted any proof that protein shakes dont work other than some frankly amusing teen weight websites that dont relate to bodybuilding, the specific area we were talking about.

OMG look, here's some (ok, a lot) of actual scientific studies performed by real Doctors and researchers and stuff about the benefits of Whey protein in many areas http://www.wheyoflife.org/references/references_wpi.pdf

When you provide some of worth Johnny, we will take you seriously. Regardless of this, I think everyone here should just at least agree to disagree... otherwise this will just go around in circles ad infinitum.
Go sell crazy some where else dude, all discredited information taken out of context from a body building web site 'whey of life' oh I wonder who sponsored their research? From that prestigious diploma mill 'The Whey University of Bulking' Arizona (postal degrees only, send us the money we send you the science).

And when has it been the case that I have to prove something doesn't work? Are we all to initially assume that everything works, what ever it is and what ever function we proport it to have. Am I supposed to wake up every morning and prove I'm innocent of crimes I never even knew about? What sort of logic is that?

It is a logical fallacy dude almost the same type of fallacy fundamentalist Christians make, the analogy holds.
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So you too agree a post workout shake with the right ingredients (inc protein) can have some benefit?
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Never disputed that fact half a pint of milk 20 mins before and half a pint 20 mins after, your golden. More than enough Protein even if your arni, and good quality. I have already posted the effects that considerably more protein can have on your system, (all from medical and top university research). you can eat more if you like, you just excrete it all, effectively your spending 's every time you take a crap.
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Richdog just reduced my rep points with this comment for this thread on protein shakes.

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I beg to differ I think that it's sour grapes, I have proved that the research that you posted was limited, possibly biased and with claims about milk as opposed to whey protein shakes, whereas mine claiming that protein shakes can be harmful in excess was up to date and highly credible.
Not only that but protein shakes are big business (of which the Whey Institute that you quoted the research from seems to be a part) aimed like most diet products at people with an inferior body complex, primarily young or teen men who have not even reached their muscular peak yet- because that's where they make most of their money and so I don't believe in promoting them.

We all ( including me) have to learn to eat healthily and not fool ourselves into thinking that protein shakes are a healthy choice. Healthy compared to a chocolate bar -maybe?
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Re: Is Protein Powder good for work out in gym ?

I would aim for WATER and lots of WATER and no powders. I would eat 2 eggs (the whites only) every morning. If your work-out lasts for more than 50 minutes make sure that you take time to stretch - stretching activates much more flow than powder could.
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Richdog just reduced my rep points with this comment for this thread on protein shakes.

I beg to differ I think that it's sour grapes, I have proved that the research that you posted was limited, possibly biased and with claims about milk as opposed to whey protein shakes, whereas mine claiming that protein shakes can be harmful in excess was up to date and highly credible.
Not only that but protein shakes are big business (of which the Whey Institute that you quoted the research from seems to be a part) aimed like most diet products at people with an inferior body complex, primarily young or teen men who have not even reached their muscular peak yet- because that's where they make most of their money and so I don't believe in promoting them.

We all ( including me) have to learn to eat healthily and not fool ourselves into thinking that protein shakes are a healthy choice. Healthy compared to a chocolate bar -maybe?
The post I repped you for (prior to the latest) was indeed useless, as were the othes before it. If you think throwing your toys out of the pram and making it public will in any way change my opinion other than thinking you even more of a waste of time than I originally (no small feat) thought then you are sorely mistaken.
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The post I repped you for (prior to the latest) was indeed useless, as were the othes before it. If you think throwing your toys out of the pram and making it public will in any way change my opinion other than thinking you even more of a waste of time than I originally (no small feat) thought then you are sorely mistaken.
I don't think anybody could care less what you 'believe' or actively cares about changing your mind, your critical faculties and ability to make informed decisions is obviously so out of kilter I would actually be worried if we where in agreement.
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Richdog just reduced my rep points with this comment for this thread on protein shakes.
Has JonnyLaRock been red-blobbed too Nice, so who's the one throwing toys around.

Richdog: you have been referring to "scientific" studies all along, but up to now you haven't cited a single study (or did I miss it) that supports your contention that powders are better than natural protein food for amateurs such as the OP who go to gym for normal fitness/health as opposed to the dudes seen on TV ads.

You won't normally find scientific studies proving the pointless-ness of every fad that modern man wants to nurse, scientists have better things to do like finding cancer cures. Normally the onus of proving the superior benefits of powders (and specialist running shoes, compression socks, and tiger penis soup for that matter) is on the person peddling those stuff.

I don't go to gym, but am physically active, and I am happy with bananas and nuts until someone proves otherwise. I am not 100% sure that inadvertent excess consumption of powders will harm me, but I don't feel motivated to try and test that either.
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I don't think anybody could care less what you 'believe' or actively cares about changing your mind, your critical faculties and ability to make informed decisions is obviously so out of kilter I would actually be worried if we where in agreement.
Ahh speaking of throwing toys out of the pram, hereeees Johnny!

There are enough decent people disagreeing with you in this thread to make me not worry too much, but go ahead, knock yourself out. Either way I think this is a sign the thread is done. I look forward to your next badly written rant.
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Ahh speaking of throwing toys out of the pram, hereeees Johnny!

There are enough decent people disagreeing with you in this thread to make me not worry too much, but go ahead, knock yourself out. Either way I think this is a sign the thread is done. I look forward to your next badly written rant.

Badly written? People could accuse me rightfully of many of things, but poor English? I admit I split an infinitive in my last post, but that is debatable as to whether or not it is poor syntax or merely poor style.
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Re: Is Protein Powder good for work out in gym ?

Of course protein powder is good for you, but so is anything that gives your body and muscles some energy back after you've worked out. Bananas, nuts or eggs all have the same kind of effect. Just stay away from apples and citrus fruits as the acid will repeat on you for a few hours. It's also a given not to eat apples before you go running. Migros sell a range of well priced protein powders and I'm still alive after many years of intake.
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