If you are talking about the area I think you are it's about 35deg. There is a place on the standard run from the bottom of the pull lift down to Stand that approaches 40 but it is well to the side near the rocks on the skiers right as you go down.

I've never been to the Swiss wall but from what I've heard it's not comparable to a lot of in bounds runs in Switzerland. It is reputed to be one of the steepest runs in the world.

There is an article here in German about the steepest runs in the alps. The Swiss Wall is mentioned in it.

Also be careful out there. This weekend there was two people killed in falls. One person fell 600m from the top of Titlis to the Firnalpli Glacier. They hiked from the top of the cable car to the top of Titlis and were going to head down towards the ice flyer lift. One of the group put a turn on over a cornice which gave way and had a long time to think about his mistake!

A second person fell 80m on off Gross Charpf near Elm today. The articles about these incidents are only available in German.

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Ah the usual suspects eh

How about 27th venue TBA?

I've locked in 27th Pappa G. Thanks for organizing!

That is one steep run at the top and as I recall your companion did much better on the second attempt!

Would be up for ski social... Now who should we sacrifice to the snow gods??

Are you folks referring to the black run down Titlis as per photo below: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...0&id=602044438
This particular devilish run brings memories to my first ever lonely adventurous trip in the mountains to Engelberg back in 2009. I remember back then when I had had my first lesson with Salsa in Brunni and then a week later we went with Eire and others to do some more serious stuff in Lenzerheide.

Week later I thought that I was competent enough to ski down in Engelberg. I was crazy enough to start from the top and I decided to tackle the black run. I was too inexperienced to recognize the danger back then but very eager to learn skiing asap. So I took the run as lumi described above and I think I must have fallen more than ten times on the single run. It was incredibly tough and the first decent on the glacier was almost impossible for me. I just pushed myself and conquered the fears to complete it in sweat running down my spine and whole body.

I think that it was break thru in my learning process and I really got it within few hours after this run. I even managed to break my ski poles on that day and realized that one does not need them at all.

As crazy as it might sound but this was unfortunate experience for good which made me stronger in legs. I have been to many black slopes after and even Gemstock peanut in Andermatt feels like a joke compared to this specific one black down Titlis.

Then I always wondered how steep was the one referred to above...

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Mmm, did someone mention Salsa

I'll have a hunt around, or if anyone know anywhere maybe with some live music?

Hi Folks,

Finally decided to book first weekend trip to Zermatt. Will be staying next town over is Taesch, which has free parking in hotel Given train fair of 119 CH X 2 people return, If the weather forecast is good I am thinking of driving instead.

Any recommendations on the route I would take from Zurich? Google Maps offers 3 options relatively the same time, A4, A1, or A8?

Thanks

Well, I had my snowboarding lesson after all this weekend at Flums. Went surprisingly well, considering I have never surfed, skateboarded, wakeboarded, etc. I took a 2 hr lesson in the morning then started going up the T-bars in the afternoon. Day 2 (today) I took the chair lift and started doing some of the steeper (don't laugh :P) blue runs. Just starting to get the hang of linking my turns, although toe side is still somewhat difficult.

Looking forward to improving my turns and falling a lot less. Only 2 nasty falls today - one on the tailbone and one on my knee. But nothing major.

As for the conditions, weather was hot as hell on Sunday, and almost as warm today. I was roasting in the sun just eating lunch. So of course, mainly artificial snow on the lower runs at Flums. Can't tell you what the top is like :P Even the mountains across the Walensee hardly have much snow on them.

wow - you've done very well. I've seen grown men cry because they couldn't manage the pomas (button lifts) and certainly not the T-bars! If it is painful on your leg, bend over forwards to take the pressure off. Hope the knees and tail-bone feel better soon. Bravo.

I can't remember the road numbers but personally, the only route I'd ever consider would be to head there via Bern, Thun, the Lötschberg cartrain (from Kandersteg to Goppenstein) and then Visp.

( The route via Luzern can look mighty tempting on paper, but the maps often fail to show that someone put these big piles of snowy rocks in the way )

HTH

Is this a normal Swiss winter? I was expecting it to snow more than it has. In fact, we lost our last day at Diablerets because it rained the night before!

I always feel skiing before February is a treat. Some years you have good snow early, sometimes you don't. Sometimes January is painfully cold with little snow, but rarely is it as warm as it has been. The good news is temperatures are going down again and there should be some snow ahead of the weekend.

Can't remember ever seeing the Jura without any snow in Jan. Sometimes there is not enough for downhill at Les Rasses/La Robella/ Les Bugnenets- but normally there is plenty for xcountry - but struggling with that now- and not a snowflake in sight at 950m.

This is the first winter in Switzerland for my husband and me. We booked a three-day weekend at Davos for this past weekend. Despite unpropitious forecasts we went ahead because we didn't have alternatives.

As it happened we had a fantastic time. There was still plenty of snow on the pistes on top, though a couple of runs down to the valley were closed. The off-piste was pretty skied up but there was still a bit of powder for husband to try out. The views were so stunning it was hard to take it all in.

Can't wait for some real powder, though!

Ski-socialites, 27th at the Shamrock in Wollishofen if there are no other places in the hat.... and Bart does have great Murphy's

PM me with interest and I'll firm it up with Bart and post the event.

Anyone skied the lift at Schatzalp in Davos?

Thought this might be good for one day as the next step to the big slopes for our little'un.

One worry might have been that it has no snow cannons, but looks like we'll get plenty of fresh new snow over the next few days and into the weekend. So as long as the piste is well prepared should be perfect.

Guinnesh and Murphy'sh Red, shurely?

Wife and I had our 2nd skiing lesson at Villars, Vaud yesterday. Really enjoying the lessons and we seem to be progressing ok according to the instructor (but I'm sure they say that to everyone!!). Looking forward to our next one next week.

Think like everywhere else, they could do with some fresh snow....forecast is for colder air and some snow tomorrow, so hopefully that will help the resorts.

Happy skiing/snowboarding to all !

Cheers

Sean

Hoohoohoo! Hey folks you must have prayed very intensely to the gods!
Time to undust the planks, sharpen the edges and make plans for this weekend

Hey,

Anyone going to Les Diablerets on Sunday?

I am wondering where is the best to leave the car in there, to get possibly fast on the top.

cheers,

karina