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Skiing/Snowboarding 2010/2011

Well, it seems a little early to start talking about the next winter sports season, but a chilly Monday in Basel got me in the spirit and... well I've got a project in hand to document skiing and snowboarding and other winter activities in Switzerland to a greater level of detail than (I think) has been achieved anywhere else, at least in English. Anyway, I've started documenting previous season's experiences at http://www.oatridge.co.uk/nic and welcome contributions. I'm not looking to replace or replicate what is already on this bulletin board, just capture hard info on whch places to visit in winter andd how to get the most out of them... info I've acquired the hard way, but which I would have appreciated being available to me the first time round - and which is still very cursory for many places.

I'm not sure where this project is going. At this time it's a blog of sorts. Let me know what you think...
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Re: Skiing/Snowboarding 2010/2011

I had a quick look but the link didn't work.

Master Eire has an excellent site that already has a wealth of indepth information on exactly the same subject in English for winter sports and MTB'ing

http://www.swissalpineadventure.com/ski-snowboard
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I had a quick look but the link didn't work.

Master Eire has an excellent site that already has a wealth of indepth information on exactly the same subject in English for wintser sports and MTB'ing
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If you are looking for info and to meet like minded people to get out in the Swiss Alps with then www.swissalpineadventure.com is the place to go.
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Re: Skiing/Snowboarding 2010/2011

Curses, you posted the link before I did sensai

But as someone has kicked this off, maybe a mod could sticky the thread, and us snowhounds should think about a social
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Re: Skiing/Snowboarding 2010/2011

Thanks, I'll check out the site more - looks good but a lot of the smaller sites IMHO are worth checking out but are not covered, and there's not much info on them generally out there although they're worth a day out. Nothing worse than getting up at 5am to take a Snow'n'Rail pass to somewhere then trying to figure out which stop to get off at, where the best skiing is etc.

Not sure why the link didn't work, here it is again: http://www.oatridge.co.uk/nic
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Re: Skiing/Snowboarding 2010/2011

The amount of information on each page is small for a reason. The resort web pages are too full of information, in 90% of them it is almost impossible to find a piste map or the basic information you will require to spend a day there. For this reason I put links to the important information (piste map, weather forecast) plus a link to the resorts website incase you need further information.

In terms of including the smaller resorts there are a number of small ones on there. I generally go to the smaller resorts to avoid the crowds of the big ones. I have personally visited every resort on the website so the information is first hand not hear say. As I visit more resorts they will be added to the site.

The best skiing is a very personal thing. For beginners I have specified some areas of certain resorts that are best suited, for freeriders I have suggested other areas of different resorts. The thing is that in most cases most people can enjoy many resorts. What one person considers amazing skiing can freeze another person to the spot and vica versa. Thus I have made suggestions, but no blinding statements that piste 41 in resort X is exactly where you need to go.

I've also made the webcam page an overview of the alps so that if someone is wondering where might be good to go they can get a look at many different places in one go.
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Re: Skiing/Snowboarding 2010/2011

Cool site, wish I'd found it before some of my adventures. It's the best English language insiders accounts I've seen, although I also rate the "Activity Workshop" site but it hasn't been updated for a while. I agree with you on the level of detail. I often get to Adelboden so I wrote up a blog page listing everything I knew or could find out about the place, but it's not very interesting and I'm not sure anyone will find it useful. Oh well, got to do something to distract myself until the season starts again!

There are some small places you've been to that I didn't know about but sound like they're worth a day out. I'm based in Basel, and tend to ski more in Valais and Bernese Oberland than the East.
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Cool site, wish I'd found it before some of my adventures. It's the best English language insiders accounts I've seen, although I also rate the "Activity Workshop" site but it hasn't been updated for a while. I agree with you on the level of detail. I often get to Adelboden so I wrote up a blog page listing everything I knew or could find out about the place, but it's not very interesting and I'm not sure anyone will find it useful. Oh well, got to do something to distract myself until the season starts again!

There are some small places you've been to that I didn't know about but sound like they're worth a day out. I'm based in Basel, and tend to ski more in Valais and Bernese Oberland than the East.
Hmm... Seems like there are areas that you know well that I don't know that well and vica versa... I don't know the smaller areas in Berner Oberland or Vallais too well at all, but know quite a few in Central Switzerland and Graubunden.

Maybe an exchange of knowledge could be on the cards.
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Curses, you posted the link before I did sensai

But as someone has kicked this off, maybe a mod could sticky the thread, and us snowhounds should think about a social
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With Papa G's blessing, Should I assume this is the official Winter 2010-2011 Snowhound thread?

Anybody see any deals to get an equipment tune-up?
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Re: Skiing/Snowboarding 2010/2011

I'll chip in with my site - www.worldsnowboardguide.com/resorts/switzerland

Within the next few months I should have finished updating all the content for resorts within a few hours of Zurich, after last seasons trawl across all the lesser known places.

Anyone interested in contributing should PM me - there's lots of resorts out there, and i'm always looking out for knowledgable local writers. You'll get some good perks.
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Re: Skiing/Snowboarding 2010/2011

it's a great book although I thought it overlooked some of the smaller resorts and the version I've got is a bit old - I don't know an update was due out. I'm a skier, but happy to contribute as I often go out with boarders and even sometimes board myself.

What would be really good is to start recording hte back country routes available in Switzerland. Which ones you really need a guide, which one you can do with which type of kit etc. All the stuff is in German that's out there, a little in French, but it's hard to figure out exactly what they're saying and (for me at least) most of it is too hard-core, but I know there are some lovely easy runs, I've done some of them.
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Sweet.

I have been training all year for Apres Ski.
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Yea, I am probably more ready for apres ski than the white stuff. I find my trouble with Snow'n'Rail is how pleasant it is to get slowly trashed on the Co-op's finest on the long way home as the dimming mountains glide past.
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it's a great book although I thought it overlooked some of the smaller resorts and the version I've got is a bit old - I don't know an update was due out. I'm a skier, but happy to contribute as I often go out with boarders and even sometimes board myself.

What would be really good is to start recording hte back country routes available in Switzerland. Which ones you really need a guide, which one you can do with which type of kit etc. All the stuff is in German that's out there, a little in French, but it's hard to figure out exactly what they're saying and (for me at least) most of it is too hard-core, but I know there are some lovely easy runs, I've done some of them.
This is something that I have been toying with doing on my site, Something like I have done with the bike trails, but for skiing. The thing that concerns me the most is people thinking that just because a website says a route is good that they will do it on any given day even when the avalanche risk is too high and get themselves into serious trouble. I don't want people with no training going into the back country because they find a route on my website. I'm trying to figure out how to tackle this issue best at the moment.
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This is something that I have been toying with doing on my site... I don't want people with no training going into the back country because they find a route on my website. I'm trying to figure out how to tackle this issue best at the moment.
Yes, I think that's a fair point, although obviously anyone who can speak German or French can get the info. I would suggest a rating of the run in terms of minimum skills, equipment and avalanche risk - erring on the side of caution might do it and adding a rejoinder to use a guide if in doubt.
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This is something that I have been toying with doing on my site, Something like I have done with the bike trails, but for skiing. The thing that concerns me the most is people thinking that just because a website says a route is good that they will do it on any given day even when the avalanche risk is too high and get themselves into serious trouble. I don't want people with no training going into the back country because they find a route on my website. I'm trying to figure out how to tackle this issue best at the moment.
How about the site producing a pop up box or page with a disclaimer on it and advising the use of local guides before you can click through to the route content.

For those of us who chase the powder it would be great to have an idea of popular ski tour / off piste routes in english (preferably) before setting off to a resort. It would help greatly in choosing a resort for the odd ski away day.

On that note Zinal and Grimentz are awesome powder places when the snow is right

As for people going off piste because they have found a route but don't know what they are doing.... I'm pretty sure people do that regardless, we deal with a lot of Brits who have no idea at all and we read them the off piste riot act at the start of their holiday... most ignore us, don't get a guide and get lucky, meaing they go again and again and again.... Beats me why any one would go with out the right gear!

BTW are you still thinking of an avalanche course?
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How about the site producing a pop up box or page with a disclaimer on it and advising the use of local guides before you can click through to the route content.

For those of us who chase the powder it would be great to have an idea of popular ski tour / off piste routes in english (preferably) before setting off to a resort. It would help greatly in choosing a resort for the odd ski away day.

On that note Zinal and Grimentz are awesome powder places when the snow is right

As for people going off piste because they have found a route but don't know what they are doing.... I'm pretty sure people do that regardless, we deal with a lot of Brits who have no idea at all and we read them the off piste riot act at the start of their holiday... most ignore us, don't get a guide and get lucky, meaing they go again and again and again.... Beats me why any one would go with out the right gear!

BTW are you still thinking of an avalanche course?
I have met a few expats with similar views as the tourists you describe, since my site is geared towards expats this is exactly my worry. Oh we went beside the piste here and it was safe, so dropping down that big untouched powder slope behind the lifts must be ok. All this with no idea of the danger level and with no equipment.

There are maps out there for certain areas that show good freeride routes and grade the difficulty, they are 1:25,000 so it is up to you to measure the slope and assess the risk yourself and the difficulty level on the map only refers to technical difficulty and not avalanche risk. To use these you don't need to be able to speak German, but you do need to be able to read a proper topographic map. If you can't read the map you have no business being in the back country without a guide in the first place.

Yes, the Avalanche course is still planned, I'll get in touch with the guides towards the end of the month and pin down the details, then I will confirm the event on the facebook page and take deposits off those who are definite.

There is a strong chance that I might arrange one or two intro to freeride days with the same guides later in the season if the feedback is good from the Avalanche course. I've also spoken to a ski trainer I know who speaks perfect English to arrange a couple of technique coaching days for anyone interested. This guy teaches instructors, has a degree in sports teaching and sports science and has been known to throw back flips off clips so his coaching is the real deal.

All in the planning stage.
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thats a great thread! I will be in Nyon this year. i cant wait to skiiiii!!!
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I know. Reflex action .

What it should have said is that I am a changed woman who rarely drinks, and am actually super fit.
It just doesn't sound right.

I feel dirty

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