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Old 05.11.2014, 10:08
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Re: Swiss to make TV licence fee compulsory

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a) late to the party
2) quite a list says you're wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence
Some people happen to find television to be the lowest form of entertainment and a brain suck.

I don't like TV, and I have never paid for cable TV services or had a tv because of it.

There are things like television news, infotainment, which I find ethically corrupt. A program used to instill emotional reaction in people with very little selective information. I mean it's the same with news sources, but really, you can't get the story from one source. You have to read 3 or 4 sources before you lose the slant the authors are giving. When watching the teli though, the questioning part of the brain seems to shut down, and suddenly it's all gospel (which explains the sunday morning church shows).

Anyhow, I wish there was a way to fund radio content and not TV content because I don't support television as a medium. I know that makes me seem like I'm from the 1930s, but there it is.
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Anyhow, I wish there was a way to fund radio content and not TV content because I don't support television as a medium. I know that makes me seem like I'm from the 1930s, but there it is.
To borrow Sean Connery's unique numbering system:

a) What makes you think radio news is any less biased?
2) There is a way. They call it Billag.
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Old 05.11.2014, 13:07
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Some people happen to find television to be the lowest form of entertainment and a brain suck.

I don't like TV, and I have never paid for cable TV services or had a tv because of it.

There are things like television news, infotainment, which I find ethically corrupt. A program used to instill emotional reaction in people with very little selective information. I mean it's the same with news sources, but really, you can't get the story from one source. You have to read 3 or 4 sources before you lose the slant the authors are giving. When watching the teli though, the questioning part of the brain seems to shut down, and suddenly it's all gospel (which explains the sunday morning church shows).

Anyhow, I wish there was a way to fund radio content and not TV content because I don't support television as a medium. I know that makes me seem like I'm from the 1930s, but there it is.
169.15 per annum.

but

If you have a computer or smart phone or tablet with Internet access you pay everything.....

www.billag.ch/private/fees
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To borrow Sean Connery's unique numbering system:

a) What makes you think radio news is any less biased?
2) There is a way. They call it Billag.
People people don't listen to Radio as passively as they watch tv. I've read enough about marketing to people via tv to know that watching tv makes us less active in questioning what we're told. If they can do this in ads, of course they can push any story in the news or on a sitcom.

example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2743554/

"The snack advertising had powerful effects on men and restrained eaters; with both groups consuming approximately 1 SD more after exposure to snack ads versus nutrition ads or no food ads. Female unrestrained eaters, however, ate similar amounts across all conditions."

They wouldn't let us only pay only the radio fee because we had high-speed internet and computers. At least that was their rational. We have no cable tv or any membership-based streaming tv channels. Though, it's not like we don't use youtube.
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Old 06.11.2014, 02:11
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169.15 per annum.

but

If you have a computer or smart phone or tablet with Internet access you pay everything.....

www.billag.ch/private/fees
Yeah, Billag would say that, wouldn't they? From that link you provided to the Billag website: "Every household in Switzerland is legally obliged to pay the radio and television fee". Now that's a straight-out lie. Presumably they can get away with it because that statement is not written in one of the official languages of Switzerland (but in one that many immigrants to Switzerland speak). In the German, French and Italian versions there's no claim that "every household" is legally obliged to pay anything, let alone both fees.

We're going 'round in circles again. The TV licence fee is payable only if you have the means to receive TV and a subscription to watch it! Source: buried deep in the Billag website (links from umpteen posts in Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?, mostly from adrianlondon).

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People people don't listen to Radio as passively as they watch tv. I've read enough about marketing to people via tv to know that watching tv makes us less active in questioning what we're told. If they can do this in ads, of course they can push any story in the news or on a sitcom.
Nonsense. Passive listening to the radio is commonplace. Normal, even. And advertising on the radio works just as effectively (and subliminally) as on TV.

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They wouldn't let us only pay only the radio fee because we had high-speed internet and computers. At least that was their rational. We have no cable tv or any membership-based streaming tv channels. Though, it's not like we don't use youtube.
They're lying again.

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Re: Swiss to make TV licence fee compulsory

Preface: I listen to the radio a lot, and I've been always been paying for that service. But I don't watch TV, and never paid, and won't unless it becomes compulsory.

Billag just sent me the 3rd (or 4th?) reminder to fill out their online form. On the front page they say that (bold is theirs) all Households capable of receiving tv programs are liable to pay. That's an outright lie (see part b) below).

By filling out their online form I'd basically tell them I have ADSL connection (they get my IP and thus are told my ISP, which in turn tells them where to request further info). I would indeed be obliged to inform them if I received/consumed tv, but there's no obligation to tell them that I don't and thus there's no need for me to even react to their letter.

Those who do decide to fill out the form should only do so from their office, or absent that possibility should have a friend fill it out for them.

Conditions under which you're obliged to pay for your TV (translated from the german letters' backside):
a) Have a working tv set that is connected or could be connected (in reasonably short time), plus a tv signal being provided to you. It doesn't matter if you actually watch tv or not, or by which means you receive the signal, the ability of doing so is what counts
b) tv capable device (PC, Mac, smartphone, etc) AND broadband connection (cable, xDSL or similar) AND tv-capable software AND either for-pay subscription or free subscription to receive TV programs.

Notice that b) doesn't apply if you don't have any subscription. Thus if you don't watch tv at all, or watch tv on your PC (e.g www.srf.ch) but without subscription, you're not liable to pay tv. Youtube doesn't count either - in fact, nothing freely avaibly over the net (absent some kind of subscription) has any bearing.

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Anyhow, I wish there was a way to fund radio content and not TV content because I don't support television as a medium. I know that makes me seem like I'm from the 1930s, but there it is.
Simply pay for radio only, not for tv. I've been doing exactly that for close to 30 years, and counting.
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Re: Swiss to make TV licence fee compulsory

Billag has always been merely a tax but not perceived like that. As soon as you have a tv or radio or any device that can reproduce audio or video you have to pay. I don't know anyone that doesn't have such a device but I know some that avoid paying the fee.
I don't agree with the idea of Billag overall, but given the low taxation of this country if you pay an additional 400 per year per household that wouldn't make much of a difference neither increase the total tax burden a lot. We just need to put the topic into perspective...
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Old 07.11.2014, 09:17
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169.15 per annum.

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If you have a computer or smart phone or tablet with Internet access you pay everything.....

www.billag.ch/private/fees
No you don't.

It's been written enough times on here so I'm not going to write it yet again.
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Old 07.11.2014, 09:18
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Billag has always been merely a tax but not perceived like that. As soon as you have a tv or radio or any device that can reproduce audio or video you have to pay. I don't know anyone that doesn't have such a device but I know some that avoid paying the fee.
Wrong. Yawn.
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Conditions under which you're obliged to pay for your TV (translated from the german letters' backside):
a) Have a working tv set that is connected or could be connected (in reasonably short time), plus a tv signal being provided to you. It doesn't matter if you actually watch tv or not, or by which means you receive the signal, the ability of doing so is what counts
Interesting that you say that. I haven't seen the letter of which you speak but they told me (several times) that if you own a TV or have one in your appartment you have to pay. I always wondered what the or bit meant, and seeing i do own a TV but it's in the UK in my Dad's house. They just repeated in a loader and slower voice, "if you own it, you pay". That's when I laughed and slammed the door on them. And now it turns out they were lying.
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Re: Swiss to make TV licence fee compulsory

A question: Billag is paid by household, right?

For example, I and my spouse we live together, we have two flats in two different cantons, but we only have to pay Billag once, right?
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Re: Swiss to make TV licence fee compulsory

Interesting question- no idea about the answer but i would think you would have to pay for both addresses (your location says you have 3 )- we certainly have to pay our TV licence for our flat in the UK, even though we are rarely there
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A question: Billag is paid by household, right?

For example, I and my spouse we live together, we have two flats in two different cantons, but we only have to pay Billag once, right?
It's an interesting question and one that I can't give a definitive answer to but the Billag site indicates that you don't have to pay for a second 'holiday' home as long as you don't rent it out to third parties.

https://www.billag.ch/private/fees/

Maybe this would apply in your situation? The only way to find out for sure us to ask them.

It's different from the UK where you have to pay the licence fee for a second home if you have receiving equipment there. But as per normal it's useless to make comparisons with other countries as everywhere has different rules.
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A question: Billag is paid by household, right?

For example, I and my spouse we live together, we have two flats in two different cantons, but we only have to pay Billag once, right?
I'd say it depends.

If you share one common household, and the 2nd apartment is used for sleepovers or similar, I think you need to pay only once. However, should you use the 2nd apartment for some kind of commercial use such as rent it out, I have no idea.

If, on the other hand, you have different addresses you are considered to have different households and thus you have to pay twice.
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Re: Swiss to make TV licence fee compulsory

What a relief! I leave from Switzerland soon.
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A question: Billag is paid by household, right?

For example, I and my spouse we live together, we have two flats in two different cantons, but we only have to pay Billag once, right?
Yes, it doesn't matter how many TVs or flats you have.

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