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Weren't the Habsburgs (before they moved to Aargau and started wearing white socks) originally from Alsace. So really they're just a bunch of Frenchmen

Swiss history is complicated, with enemies changing over time and external powers frequently getting involved in internal conflicts and enemies of one generation becoming the allies of the next (and vice versa). However, the original breakaway of the Urkantone was definitely a rebellion against Habsburg power.

Of course the Habsburgs of the 13 Century had in little in common with the Habsburgs at the later peak of their power. So one shouldn't let the name conjure up a certain picture.

When Rudolf II was emperor and made ZŁrich and Bern FREIE REICHS-STAEDTE, France was NOT YET existing. It was the Grand-Duchy of Paris, heavily rivalled by the Kingdoms of Burgundy and Normandie (those of the Normandie later became Kings of Britain
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

I know this story is quite old, but I think it's quite rude for an immigrant to suggest changing the flag, even as a sort of joke.
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I know this story is quite old, but I think it's quite rude for an immigrant to suggest changing the flag, even as a sort of joke.
Technically they are not immigrants because they're born here, some even third generation. It will take another couple of generations and some name alterations (the "-ic" must be transformed in "-er") in order to be seen as "natives"....probably.
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Technically they are not immigrants because they're born here, some even third generation. It will take another couple of generations and some name alterations (the "-ic" must be transformed in "-er") in order to be seen as "natives"....probably.

Where somebody was born is irrelevant. What matters is the citizenship
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Where somebody was born is irrelevant. What matters is the citizenship
Of course Wolli....my point was that we're already talking about adults who not only lived here all their lives, but also were born here...I find it hard to believe they're not yet Swiss citizens....at least the majority.
If not, it means CH has a problem.
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Of course Wolli....my point was that we're already talking about adults who not only lived here all their lives, but also were born here...I find it hard to believe they're not yet Swiss citizens....at least the majority.
If not, it means CH has a problem.

if they have lived here as foreigners so be it --- THEIR Problem but NOT a Problem for CH
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Technically they are not immigrants because they're born here, some even third generation. It will take another couple of generations and some name alterations (the "-ic" must be transformed in "-er") in order to be seen as "natives"....probably.
It won't take that long.

There has over the last couple of years already been a change in attitudes to "-ic people". This is in part due to the problematic generation growing out of their rebel, boy-racing and anti-authoritarian years and settling down and moving into responsible professions and planting red geraniums (and not to mention many joining the SVP Stammtischs where their Swiss neighbours discover they're actually much the same as themselves and share many of the same aspirations and problems). Also, other immigrant groups have replaced the "ics" as the nation's favourite bogeymen.
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Of course Wolli....my point was that we're already talking about adults who not only lived here all their lives, but also were born here...I find it hard to believe they're not yet Swiss citizens....at least the majority.
If not, it means CH has a problem.
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if they have lived here as foreigners so be it --- THEIR Problem but NOT a Problem for CH
Wolli, you are assuming that must be these people's choice that they have lived their entire lives in Switzerland as foreigners. That may not necessarily be the case.
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Wolli, you are assuming that must be these people's choice that they have lived their entire lives in Switzerland as foreigners. That may not necessarily be the case.

I am not assuming either. However, for decades an Italian or a German citizenship offered Advantages over the Swiss one
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I am not assuming either. However, for decades an Italian or a German citizenship offered Advantages over the Swiss one
Though I'm not sure the same can be said of an Albanian one.
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Though I'm not sure the same can be said of an Albanian one.

I basically meant West-European ones, and not the Balkans
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

switzerland dont give a !

 




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