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The vice president of pro-immigrant organization Secondos Plus has infuriated far-right politicians and others in Switzerland with his 'humorous' calls for a new Swiss flag, contributor Meritzell Mir reports.

Read the full article: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

just funny how people react to provocations...SVP are more than happy to provoke, but can't take any, zip, zero, none...typical Swiss...
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

Agree with part one - but second part should read 'typically SVP/UDC type Swiss.
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

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SVP are more than happy to provoke, but can't take any,
Sounds familiar...
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just funny how people react to provocations...SVP are more than happy to provoke, but can't take any, zip, zero, none...typical Swiss...
If I heard that a pro immigrant group was suggesting to change the American flag, to make it more, non American friendly, I don't think I would be laughing it off. Or maybe I would be, but not the way it sounds. I would expect the SVP to be irritated by it like, I would any conservative American, and it goes for any other country as well.
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

"All Petrusic was trying to do was get people’s attention through humour in order to make them reflect on the values of Switzerland..."

They must be new here....I'll just pour myself another glass of wine and enjoy the show.
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

Funny as he may have found it, he's just helping the SVP to win more votes...
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

What I find as "funny" is that people are more interested in trying to provoke each other then looking for common ground solutions to the problems.
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

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If I heard that a pro immigrant group was suggesting to change the American flag, to make it more, non American friendly, I don't think I would be laughing it off. Or maybe I would be, but not the way it sounds. I would expect the SVP to be irritated by it like, I would any conservative American, and it goes for any other country as well.
Hard to understand your post - maybe some different punctuation would help?
Maybe you should ask an educated native English speaker for help?
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Hard to understand your post - maybe some different punctuation would help?
Maybe you should ask an educated native English speaker for help?
Oh like this guy...

http://youtu.be/MCC3PFY1jDY

I can see you not understanding my post with such a heavy accent and all.
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just funny how people react to provocations...SVP are more than happy to provoke, but can't take any, zip, zero, none...typical Swiss...
what is it that makes you think the SVP are angry?

They've just had the opportunity to stir things up handed to them on a golden plate.

I bet the champaigne corks are flying in SVP HQ.

(or maybe the Chasselas and BŁndner Herrschaften corks)
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

Nobody said it in the other thread on the "new Swiss flag"... so, since I followed the Swiss German newspapers over the past years more than most others here:

The Secondos Plus club is a bit of a bad joke. It used to be dominated by Italians and Spanish who really tried to improve the situation for their fellow countrymen in times where there was more and more open discrimination than today. The membership based changed just with the foreign population of Switzerland - it is by now run by folks with a Kosovo Albanian background. Therefore did they choose Balkan Beats when they wanted to make a "more international version" of the Swiss anthem. While I sometimes enjoy their stuff must I say that it is always pretty clear that the guys are not exactly the brightest crayons in the box: The flag thing surely was a planned and calculated provocation. But what exactly do they want to achieve? They claim to want to get more press for foreigners - to be honest is the newspaper already today full of it, but only the negative stuff. So they should try to get positive news out there instead of making idiots out of foreigners - as the media and for sure the SVP jumps at this golden opportunity and pretends that the guys are serious. The worst part is the timing: Offering the SVP an awesome chance to demonstrate that the evil foreigners really want the Swiss to give up everything Swiss is a golden opportunity for their agitators - let alone so shortly before the elections.

Result: Newspaper is full of the rubbish, everyone only reads about the SVP and the others are quiet - SVP gains ground. Simple as that.

Unfortunately are Secondos Plus quite obviously not on par with the SVP. The SVP is the most professionally organized political party of the country while that club does not really seem to have many people that have seen schools from the inside. At least that's how smart they act.

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What I find as "funny" is that people are more interested in trying to provoke each other then looking for common ground solutions to the problems.
Ummmm.... We don't need a solution, Switzerland is a christion nation and if non-swiss of a different religion find it offensive they can gladly go back from whence they came.
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

I don't see any reference to religion in that quote, which makes your statement somewhat odd.
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Ummmm.... We don't need a solution, Switzerland is a christion nation and if non-swiss of a different religion find it offensive they can gladly go back from whence they came.
You responded to posts placed two years ago.

And, the Swiss flag is the flag of the Swiss Confederation. Whether CH is a Christian nation or not is irrelevant. Irrelevant in practice, while not in theory and history

Whomever feels unhappy about this flag, has not to go whence he/she came from, but only to the nearest psychiatrist
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I don't see any reference to religion in that quote, which makes your statement somewhat odd.
The statement not only is "odd" but simply wrong. As the cross of the Swiss flag originated from European tradition (Chistian influence admitted) like the flag of the Kingdom of Italy


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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

Yes, the cross is Christian in origin.

But that doesn't mean that Christianity is a state religion.

Look at the French tricolore for example. It embodies values of the French Revolution, especially the struggle to overthrow the Feudal system. This is not precisely a rallying call for modern France. But the flag lives on.

The German flag was actually originally the banner of a student fraternity. There is very little link to the present Germany there.

There are similarly many other national flags that have become symbols of their nation while losing their earlier meaning.
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There are similarly many other national flags that have become symbols of their nation while losing their earlier meaning.


Eleftheria i Deutsches Reich?
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Eleftheria i Deutsches Reich?

You possibly mean the flags of the German Imperial Navy


Flaggen der kaiserlichen Marine




or the various flags of the German Empire


Flaggen, Standarten und Wimpel zur Zeit der Kaiserlichen Marine. Die Admiralsflaggen sind seither unveršndert.
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Re: SVP to immigrants: Donít mess with the Swiss flag

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Ummmm.... We don't need a solution, Switzerland is a christion nation and if non-swiss of a different religion find it offensive they can gladly go back from whence they came.

exactly. I do not see any reason to not adapt if you go somewhere. If you move to US or to Russia, you either have to adapt to their values or you just die on the street because there is no social system to catch you.

I do not say that Russia or US should be the role model but indeed it helps immigrants to be motivated to adapt...
 




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