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Old 18.07.2012, 13:35
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Wow, doesn't anyone remember being a kid? I sure remember finding my father's hidden stash of Playboy and a skanky Hustler in the woods one time. It didn't appeal to me, but I was curious just the same. Of course, being a Catholic girl, I had no idea what it was all about until I got to University.
Yeah, I remember sneaking Playgirl and Penthouse magazines that I found hidden in my mom's wardrobe. There was a spread (no pun intended) with a naked Don Johnson, which I thought was pretty cool at the time.

But really, I sneaked them mostly for the articles.
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Old 18.07.2012, 16:46
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That's your words. What I said:
- my lesson kick-off
- extreme example
- philosophy class
You mixed them all in your blender. Not me.

The reason I don't discuss the Local's lies is exactly what you point out: one does not discuss porn as such in class, it's not a subject and not part of a subject either and won't ever be it. One knows that porn exist, accepts this fact and does not censor it away from the actual teaching. We teach concepts, and if by doing so, we "touch" pornography, then so be it. We don't avoid it here but it's not a porn class.

Even in sexual education, where the discussion about showing porn originated, the idea is to liberate verbal expression in order to kill myths. Giving them condoms to roll up on colourful dildos is part of it, the reflection leading to porn is the ground attitude that if one needs something in class, we use it, no censorship. How useful and for what pedagogical purpose porn could be useful, that's the core of the discussion, and it's not what TheLocal catching line is about. Hence my refusal to relate to them.

By deviating to philosophy when talking about porn in this thread, it should be clear that I don't advocate the use of porn films. Not because I'm shocked by it of even condemn it as such, but only because in my professional eyes, it would serve no pedagogical purpose. When porn is relevant to my teaching, pictures are not necessary, they all know what is it about and we can proceed to the actual teaching. But who am I to forbid other people to continue that discussion for sex education with pupils 16-19 years old? I do advocate sex education in school, but I don't tell them how to do their job. There are enough people in the field of sex education who participate to this debate, they don't need theLocal's headlines to lead a sensible pedagogical discussion.

In each field of education, there are outrageous ideas out there. Sex makes it to the headlines, not the other ones. To me, this story is a pedagogical discussion like another one. Business as usual, people have different opinions, exchanging ideas is always a good idea, disagreeing is positive for constructive professional educational discussions etc.
It's hard to read anything of what you post if you tell me that the words you wrote are my words when I quote you by copying it. You wrote "extreme philosophy". You think no one else sees that?

But from reading your post I still have to say if you don't want to discuss what theLocal posted as an article why don't you open your own thread about the subject? You want to post about a different subject then what this thread is about, and your wasting your time when it would be better spent opening threads or commenting on threads relating. Popping in wherever you like and talking about different subjects isn't going to go anywhere.

And for me to be clear, the word Mixmaster that you have crowned me, yes I am. But in this case when you write in Haiku fashion, on a different subject then the title thread, then I have to do my best to sort it out.
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Re: Allow porn in schools: Swiss men's group

Please. By the time they are 16, boys can already be considered somewhat as experts on porn. Thinking that this will be the first contact that they have with the stuff is as naive as thinking that the moon is made out of cheese.

As for the matter of showing it in class- I'm not really sure there is a need for that. Kids can have access to it anytime they want, regardless if we show it in class or not. I think sex ed classes should focus more on educating kids in PROPER sexual behaviour, staying safe and being smart.
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You wrote "extreme philosophy". You think no one else sees that?
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Thank to you, I do see that my post is cryptic. I assumed (wrongly perhaps) that the sensationalistic titles of TheLocal were of no interest to anybody. Their title is plain wrong, as always, it doesn't even match what they write. Everybody agrees on sex ed for discussing PROPER sexual behaviour (with a certain degree of diversity), even the people who advocate the use of short soft porn extracts to engage the discussion about dealing with cyberpornography. I might see that with a technical pedagogical eye and only see the lack of interest to use such clips as a pedagogical start off for a discussion about sexuality. The "bridge" to philosophy class is that naming pornography is enough for everybody over 16 to know what is meant and there is nothing we could show them usefully in class that they don't already have seen. Hence the absence of point, for me, to use short soft porn clips for anything meaningful in a lesson.

I might be cynical about it because most main public French films will have more sex in it that what those pedagogues meant in the first place. When 18th century literature is in the focus of our attention, I have shown the film "Ridicule". The first scene is a guy urinating on an old baron with full screen penis. Later, one sees a Abbé making a marquise have an orgasm. Soft porn indeed. But that's a main stream movie, also shown at 08:45 on national TV. There are many such examples and nobody go to the Local to make a juicy head line.
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Old 18.07.2012, 18:01
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I wholeheartedly thank you for your concerns. My words were the following:
Dude I copied and pasted your quote, contact the moderators at EF if you want to continue discussing this.
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as naive as thinking that the moon is made out of cheese.
Whats naive about thinking that?
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Please. By the time they are 16, boys can already be considered somewhat as experts on porn. Thinking that this will be the first contact that they have with the stuff is as naive as thinking that the moon is made out of cheese.

As for the matter of showing it in class- I'm not really sure there is a need for that. Kids can have access to it anytime they want, regardless if we show it in class or not. I think sex ed classes should focus more on educating kids in PROPER sexual behaviour, staying safe and being smart.
Hmmm, yeah, I agree. But I guess kids are watching porn and assuming that's the norm (surveys show that more young adults think that anal sex is the done thing). Being in an environment where it can be discussed openly with a responsible adult might manage expectations. On the other hand, it might just be an embarrassing mess.
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maybe such intimate education should be handled by the local priest as is the habit in other countries ;-/
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Re: Allow porn in schools: Swiss men's group

The question should be, What is next ?
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maybe such intimate education should be handled by the local priest as is the habit in other countries ;-/
16 is probably a bit old for them, no?
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Re: Allow porn in schools: Swiss men's group

What a joke!!! there is no way on this earth that i would allow my kids to see porn in schools... PERIOD! i don't care what any government says, i will rip my kids out of any schooling system that allows this faster than anything...

I can't believe they are even entertaining this!
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What a joke!!! there is no way on this earth that i would allow my kids to see porn in schools... PERIOD! i don't care what any government says, i will rip my kids out of any schooling system that allows this faster than anything...

I can't believe they are even entertaining this!
Is stanvrensburg the new Local.ch? Reporting on news three years after the event?

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What a joke!!! there is no way on this earth that i would allow my kids to see porn in schools... PERIOD! i don't care what any government says, i will rip my kids out of any schooling system that allows this faster than anything...

I can't believe they are even entertaining this!
Thank you for posting this...I am sure it has nothing to do with you trying to reach your 10 post to sell some crap, and more to do with your random concern over random subject on this community.
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Is stanvrensburg is the new Local.ch? Reporting on news three years after the event?
Seven posts commenting on Local stories, posted within a fifteen minute period.
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What a joke!!! there is no way on this earth that i would allow my kids to see porn in schools... PERIOD! i don't care what any government says, i will rip my kids out of any schooling system that allows this faster than anything...

I can't believe they are even entertaining this!
That's a very narrow point of view from a............... "People enthusiast" !!!!! http://www.futuretek.ch/en/

As a "tech specialist" you ever bother to check the dates on the post you replied too ?

I guess times must be tough if you have to look for second hand beds

By the way, you old enough to father kids yet ?
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What a joke!!! there is no way on this earth that i would allow my kids to see porn in schools... PERIOD! i don't care what any government says, i will rip my kids out of any schooling system that allows this faster than anything...

I can't believe they are even entertaining this!
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