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we may have to pay a deposit to come here soon

A deposit of several thousand francs may be required from foreigners that come to live here

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/23132843

I really wonder how the people in the low paid jobs would be able to cope with this
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Isn't holding on to our tax refunds for all of eternity enough?
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Re: we may have to pay a deposit to come here soon

The SVP is definitely not sleeping. According to the article:

They are examing four approaches that MAY eventually be presented to the Swiss citizens as an initiative.

Approach 1: A requirement that foreigners deposit an undefined sum (the article says a some thousands of francs) that will be used in event of drawing social services. The deposit will be paid back when the foreigner leaves the country again to reside in another country.

Approach 2: An closer look at foreigners who have arrived without papers are residing in Switzerland - they should be sent back

Approach 3: A trial citizenship. Between granting a temporary citizenship and a permanent citizenship, there will be a trial period of 5 years where the applicant is crime free. If he commits a crime, he loses his citizenship within this time period.

Approach 4: Citizenship will be denied to those who are drawing social help.

The SVP is of the firm belief that if a foreigner wants to come to Switzerland, they must be ready to sustain their own lives and not become a burden to our social services.

The above is my translation and only a summary of the article. If there are any mistakes, please feel free to correct.
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Isn't holding on to our tax refunds for all of eternity enough?
Tax refund?

I eagerly await the ensuing pandemonium and dismay when 'real Swiss' have to fill the jobs left vacant.
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Re: we may have to pay a deposit to come here soon

I think most immigrants who get a job in CH usually have some dough with them, dont they? But to get started, not to pay into a state fund.

What Mr Toni Adolf Brunner really shows is a disturbing lack of intelligence and possibly noone informed that poor guy that Switzerland cannot provide enough qualfied people to get all the jobs done...
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I really wonder how the people in the low paid jobs would be able to cope with this
They won't. This is the best way to get rid of those poor immigrants coming here to take swiss jobs.

Slowly, they will clean the country and keep the rich, passive ones who are ready to shut their mouth to live in the Swiss wonderland.

SVP Party is aweful but very clever...
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The US wants to keep the terrorists out. The Swiss want to keep any foreigners who depend on the Swiss social service system out.
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The US wants to keep the terrorists out. The Swiss want to keep any foreigners who depend on the Swiss social service system out.
What they still didn't get yet is that some terrorists come from inside and system abusers too.
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They won't. This is the best way to get rid of those poor immigrants coming here to take swiss jobs.

Slowly, they will clean the country and keep the rich, passive ones who are ready to shut their mouth to live in the Swiss wonderland.

SVP Party is aweful but very clever...
then who will do the "dirty work"?
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The US wants to keep the terrorists out. The Swiss want to keep any foreigners who depend on the Swiss social service system out.
You need a job to get a permit...which means that Switzerland must have asked the person to come here and work for them, or am I missing something?
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The SVP is definitely not sleeping. According to the article:

They are examing four approaches that MAY eventually be presented to the Swiss citizens as an initiative.

Approach 1: A requirement that foreigners deposit an undefined sum (the article says a some thousands of francs) that will be used in event of drawing social services. The deposit will be paid back when the foreigner leaves the country again to reside in another country.
Does that mean that foreigners would be absolved from paying into the various social insurance schemes until they have used up their Kaution? Thought not.

How will this work with the bi-lateral treaties with the EU? If this were to make it into law, I suspect the two tier EU/non-EU system would be more apparent, with non-EUs getting permits if they are on high salaries and their deposit will be paid by their firm as part of their package. EU will carry on as before.
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Re: we may have to pay a deposit to come here soon

Quote "...oder wenn die Rückkehr ins Heimatland notwendig wird."

When the necessity arises to have to return to your home country - when might that be, after Auschaffungsinitiative II?
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As I understood it the main problem these people (SVP) have with immigrants stems from the sizeable inflow of refugees from the former Yugoslavia more than it does with foreign workers as such. There is no doubt there has been very significant shifts in the demography of Swiss towns and cities over the past 20 years - partly as a result of the help offered to the war-torn and partly with the mass influx of foreigners (and foreign companies) from all continents bringing additional skills and labour resources. Is this proposal therefore essentially a means of ruling out the right to seek asylum in Switzerland since, by definition, many people fleeing countries en-masse in times of war are unlikely to have sizeable deposits of CHFs to hand over?

If so then I wonder if this initiative would contravene various human rights such as the right to seek asylum. If not, and if this is a barrier put in place for temporary residents (i.e. L & B as well as C permits/Swiss passport adopters) then the initiative would increase the bureaucracy (and cost) of attracting business to Switzerland and would represent one step towards the place becoming just another European country. Keep it up (i.e. remove taxation advantages, treat all foreigners as second class citizens, add to the bureaucratic burden) and the place will become just an overpriced poor neighbour of Germany. I feel many of this party's supporters would be quite happy with this arrangement - i.e. that they have some romantic notion of going back to being a nation comprised mainly of farmers, cheesemakers and chocolatiers. Unfortunately I doubt they have thought through who would be left to pay the subsidies to keep them working the fields with hand tools.

As far as keeping out people whose sole intention is to sponge off the state is concerned I wholeheartedly support such a measure. But I fear a lot of these 'initiatives' may be being dressed up to appeal to such common sense ideas (in order to secure enough votes) whilst hiding ulterior and more ugly motives. It seems this party's main focus is on foreigners rather than the Swiss people themselves.
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Tax refund?

I eagerly await the ensuing pandemonium and dismay when 'real Swiss' have to fill the jobs left vacant.
The refund they've been holding (whoops "processing") for the last 10 months covers the deposit more than once; and that was only for 3 months work. I dread to see how long it will take for them to process the next one for 12 months.

Switzerland holds an enormous amount of any immigrants money as soon as they land. Withholding tax at source, 20% retirement fund payments etc. They have a pool of money to free up for any person working here that gets themselves into trouble financially before having to resort to welfare.

Making life difficult for immigrants will only make it harder for businesses to work here. I too eagerly await the mass exodus and ensuing chaos. My husbands employment offers overseas are looking more and more attractive every day.
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They won't. This is the best way to get rid of those poor immigrants coming here to take swiss jobs.

Slowly, they will clean the country
But how will they keep it clean? No Swiss person wants the jobs to clean streets or toilets.
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Re: we may have to pay a deposit to come here soon

Interesting, however I pay into the system and I will expect it to give me the assistance if I need it.
Had this talk in the pub a few days back, a lot of hard-core SVP members where I live, all complaining about the evil Germans and how they are taking jobs away from Swiss Burghers, hitting the metaphoric reef and depending on Switzerland to feed them.
Oh how I enjoy winding SVP members up like a watch. Got a few free beers out of it to boot.
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But how will they keep it clean?
Person A will 'borrow' the plans for a machine that does this automatically.
Person A will sell this to the government because Person A knows Person B from their days in the military.
Person A will then manufacture this machine (in Yugoslavia, of course) and sell it to the government at a huge markup.
Person B, being such a good friend, will make sure Person A has exclusive rights to such sell such machines in Switzerland, ad infinitium.

alles ist gut (much back slapping and hand shaking on being such clever businessmen)
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As I understood it the main problem these people (SVP) have with immigrants stems from the sizeable inflow of refugees from the former Yugoslavia more than it does with foreign workers as such. There is no doubt there has been very significant shifts in the demography of Swiss towns and cities over the past 20 years - partly as a result of the help offered to the war-torn and partly with the mass influx of foreigners (and foreign companies) from all continents bringing additional skills and labour resources. Is this proposal therefore essentially a means of ruling out the right to seek asylum in Switzerland since, by definition, many people fleeing countries en-masse in times of war are unlikely to have sizeable deposits of CHFs to hand over?

If so then I wonder if this initiative would contravene various human rights such as the right to seek asylum. If not, and if this is a barrier put in place for temporary residents (i.e. L & B as well as C permits/Swiss passport adopters) then the initiative would increase the bureaucracy (and cost) of attracting business to Switzerland and would represent one step towards the place becoming just another European country. Keep it up (i.e. remove taxation advantages, treat all foreigners as second class citizens, add to the bureaucratic burden) and the place will become just an overpriced poor neighbour of Germany. I feel many of this party's supporters would be quite happy with this arrangement - i.e. that they have some romantic notion of going back to being a nation comprised mainly of farmers, cheesemakers and chocolatiers. Unfortunately I doubt they have thought through who would be left to pay the subsidies to keep them working the fields with hand tools.

As far as keeping out people whose sole intention is to sponge off the state is concerned I wholeheartedly support such a measure. But I fear a lot of these 'initiatives' may be being dressed up to appeal to such common sense ideas (in order to secure enough votes) whilst hiding ulterior and more ugly motives. It seems this party's main focus is on foreigners rather than the Swiss people themselves.
...so SVP wants that refugees should pay a deposit...?

I remember when I arrived...I had to pay 3 months deposit on my flat...i.e. 4'500 CHF...that was easy!
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Approach 1: A requirement that foreigners deposit an undefined sum (the article says a some thousands of francs) that will be used in event of drawing social services. The deposit will be paid back when the foreigner leaves the country again to reside in another country.
When we leave without claiming benefits, calling the police, driving on the roads or vomiting on the pavements....do we get our taxes back too?
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Isn't holding on to our tax refunds for all of eternity enough?
They still owe me thousands of franks from my 2007 (yes, 2007!!!) tax return. Funnily enough they sent me a note and a payment slip of chf 500 for my 2008 return two months ago. No mentioning of the 2007 amounts though...I called my accountant, costing me chf 50 for a phone call, who contacted them and clarified that in fact they owe me close to a 1000 franks for 2008. All been quiet since. No mentioning of refunds. When my accountant called them again, the response was that the Zurich Canton tax office is "extremely busy processing their huge backlog of foreigner tax returns".........it might take another few months...

Hey, they owe me money. I might be a candidate to be "ausgeschafft"...
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