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entschuldigung what mean SVP ?!

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In Germany is "TV grade high German" not the spoken language either.
Really? Stefan Raab, Thomas Gottschalk, Angela Merkel, Uli Hoeness, these people speak a local dialect when at home and among friends and switch to high german when on TV? Don't think so.

It seems to me high german is the spoken language for most germans and not a dialect.

And when germans use dialect on TV they seem to get away with it like Franz Beckenbauer with his "schaun mer mal" while a swiss person saying "luege mer emol" would be considered mental.
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SVP is like DVU or NPD.
I don't think it is wise to compare in such direct lines. When I said grand aunty likes SVP/UDC/PPS campaigns and old nazi times, I still keep them separate. There is a bridge, hence the aunty story, but they are two distinctive territories. SVP/UDC/PPS has no particular ideology, they just are trying to voice what will make them powerful within the given system they want to misuse. Being xenophobic does not make people nazi, it takes a little bit more.

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It seems to me high german is the spoken language for most germans and not a dialect.
Book your next hollidays in Oberbayern, Ostfranken, Sachsen, Near-Luxemburg, Schwarzwald or midlands-Hessen. That will change your mind.
For Nederdüütsch (low-German), I know people speaking it 20 mn outside Hamburg and in the East-Frisian Islands, otherwise quite vivid in farmers' families between Bremen and Hamburg, a little less in Schleswig-Holstein. On Helgoland, the nice guy on the lift talks to tourists in High German, to his wife in Halunder and to his neighbours in low-German.
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Stupid Voters' Party.
OK Ok thank you , i do not like these folks & these teams and i beleive they do not like as well folks as Julian Assange
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It seems the poster is not the only one who thinks that to be a German you need to be 'White'.. My brother that I mentioned went to look at an apartment in Zurich and told the guy beforehand that he was German, etc. He also has a very German name. He waited outside the apartment for half an hour and assumed the guy was late. He saw this guy pacing up and down outside the apartment so decided to ask him if he was the guy for the apartment..

The guy said yes and was shocked to find out that my brother was the German he was supposed to be meeting.. He said ' You don't look like a German, so even though i saw you standing there I did'nt think to ask you.' My brother asked him what a German looks like and he had no answer..
Did your brother get the apartment?
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I didn't dare ask. Did he?
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No, but I had to explain at least twenty Swiss over the years what "High German" actually means. For some reason is there a popular myth in Switzerland that it stand for "high level" indicating their precious dialects to be "low quality" - which is rubbish. It has something to do with high mountains vs. low countries (which is where people actually speak "low German"... ). I thought they should learn that at school, but aparently is the PISA study right and their school system is not as great as the SVP believes.
I heard this exact discussion on german TV when a bavarian tried to explain a northerner what high german really means.

Why this rumour swiss students are faring badly in PISA studies when according to latest results they are Nr. 3 in mathematics and better at reading high german than Germans?
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Why this rumour swiss students are faring badly in PISA studies when according to latest results they are Nr. 3 in mathematics and better at reading high german than Germans?
Because this is an average over all students, and the Swiss have much smaller problems with children of uneducated foreigners than the Germans. If you compare Swiss and Germans without a migration background, the Germans will be better-at least that is my impression that I got from my students at ETH, which have severe problems expressing themselves in written and spoken high German.
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Really? Stefan Raab, Thomas Gottschalk, Angela Merkel, Uli Hoeness, these people speak a local dialect when at home and among friends and switch to high german when on TV? Don't think so.
Except for Gottschalk, one can even tell from their accents in high German where in Germany they come from.
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Except for Gottschalk, one can even tell from their accents in high German where in Germany they come from.
That's not really the point is it? An accent is not a dialect.
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Swabian (Schwäbisch) is the dialect of Württemberg. Augsburg however is still in Bavaria-mainland, which means NOT Franken but real Bavaria. Ulm is actually the Bavarian-Swabian border town, with the part on one side of the river Swabian (majority) and the part on the Southern side (Neu-Ulm) Bavarian. There of course is the famous language joke, which demands that you repeat at full speed in Ulm, um Ulm und um Ulm herum

You might also exercise with the following nice thing
der Coburger-Cottbusser Postkutschen-Kutscher putzt den Coburger-Cottbusser Postkutschen Kasten
Geographically Almost but not quite Augsburg is the home to the government of Swabia and the seat of the district of Swabia, the correct term is Bayerisch-Schwaben. Linguistically it is Swabian but not yet the "Hanoi" ;-) Swabian of Thaddäus Troll´s trans-Ulm, (just west of the A7) the language border to Bavaria being the river Lech, east of the Lech the names of some towns end with the "ing" suffix and to the west you get the "ingen" as in Mering, Kissing and Lauingen and Dillingen.
You can also tell what part someone is from, especially the ethnic dialects spoken in a very defined around Burgau and Günzburg, Thannhausen, Krumbach and the western forests.
A lot of history around them parts, Blindenheim near Dillingen, Blenheim to us Brits also the place where my daughter was born.

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Because this is an average over all students, and the Swiss have much smaller problems with children of uneducated foreigners than the Germans. If you compare Swiss and Germans without a migration background, the Germans will be better-at least that is my impression that I got from my students at ETH, which have severe problems expressing themselves in written and spoken high German.
you're talking like a real SVP-politician. They also blamed the foreign kids for the poor showing in the Pisa studies a couple of years ago.

btw there are about three times more Germans in Switzerland than vice versa. Just to get the fact straight.

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Because this is an average over all students, and the Swiss have much smaller problems with children of uneducated foreigners than the Germans. If you compare Swiss and Germans without a migration background, the Germans will be better-at least that is my impression that I got from my students at ETH, which have severe problems expressing themselves in written and spoken high German.
The claim about the number of uneducated foreigners is a bold assumption.

Swiss students not being as proficient in high german as Germans would seem only logical to me. Why should swiss people be any good at high german when they hardly ever have to speak it?

I don't understand why swiss people would feel bad about this nor do I understand why Germans always try to claim that high german is to them what it is to swiss germans.

So when you talk to swiss people do you switch from german dialect to high german or do you speak just as you would at home?
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Re: how do native germans feel about SVP?

If you guys spent more time discussing with me on how to bring gold into
this country without it getting confiscated (one of my previous questions)
or trading oil/silver/gold futures I wouldn't have time to wade into this
quagmire in the first place.

I used the words "native german" and in retrospect given all the uproar, it
was a poor choice of words. I wanted to know what Loz1983 said, how
do white germans in CH feel about the SVP? I already know how the
non-white germans feel about SVP. A couple of you responded so I think
I got a good feel of how you think.

That's it. Don't read any more into it.

I think this is the last time I'll get into these types of discussions on EF.
I'll stick to food, employment, school, housing, and finance discussions from
now on.

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I think you should wait a while for the OP to clarify himself before you all jump on a bandwagen here. It looks to me as if some of you are ready to brand the OP a racist. He's only made one short post - you can't read everything what they mean just yet!

I can understand that looking Turkish you are more likely to feel the subject of SVP campains more than if you look white European. I think the OP wants to know if being a white German also makes you feel threatened by the SVP.
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If you guys spent more time discussing with me on how to bring gold into
this country without it getting confiscated (one of my previous questions)
or trading oil/silver/gold futures I wouldn't have time to wade into this
quagmire in the first place.

I used the words "native german" and in retrospect given all the uproar, it
was a poor choice of words. I wanted to know what Loz1983 said, how
do white germans in CH feel about the SVP? I already know how the
non-white germans feel about SVP. A couple of you responded so I think
I got a good feel of how you think.

That's it. Don't read any more into it.

I think this is the last time I'll get into these types of discussions on EF.
I'll stick to food, employment, school, housing, and finance discussions from
now on.

DavidSJC
Awww DavidSJC I for one have enjoyed following this thread and giving my two Rappen.
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btw there are about three times more Germans in Switzerland than vice versa. Just to get the fact straight.
I'm sorry, I got the facts wrong. It's actually about four times as many Swiss in Germany as the other way round. (about .25% of all Germans live in Switzerland, while about 1% of all Swiss live in Germany).
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Why should swiss people be any good at high german when they hardly ever have to speak it?
Because also the Swiss write in high german, and they do it badly-nowadays. Older (educated) people typically speak better high german than younger Swiss (of the same education level).

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So when you talk to swiss people do you switch from german dialect to high german or do you speak just as you would at home?
We speak like at home only at home (which is usually within a very limited distance from our home town), and then only in private situations. Dialect in business is a no-go. Anything else is seen as either disrespectful or as a sign of low education (or both).
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I'm sorry, I got the facts wrong. It's actually about four times as many Swiss in Germany as the other way round. (about .25% of all Germans live in Switzerland, while about 1% of all Swiss live in Germany).
Nice statistical trick
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Nice statistical trick
Very nice trick indeed. Thats also more or less the way the SVP presents crime statistics concerning foreigners.
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Dialect in business is a no-go. Anything else is seen as either disrespectful or as a sign of low education (or both).
So it isn't the same. Swiss Germans would never speak high german when talking to each other.
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