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WhySoSerious? 15.12.2010 11:08

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Originally Posted by crazysniper (Post 1045304)
Its like legalizing rape in a way for f-eck sake!. Absolute Madness!

Do you know what rape means?

Guest 15.12.2010 11:09

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Originally Posted by Assassin (Post 1045259)
It's the way the human race is headed though don't you think? When I first watched the movie "Gattaca" (science fiction flick with a two tiered human society, the perfect build and imperfects) I thought it was way off in the future. Now, I'm not so sure. We humans are really trying to tweak nature to represent our interpretation of perfection. I don't know if that's our true rôle in natural evolution or whether we've just taken it upon ourselves to take over the management of the planet and all the species that have the (mis) fortune of sharing it with us.

And the question is, which set of parents wouldn't want a perfect baby with all the bits in the right places? Nature isn't kind to mis-formed or disabled animals, it's only humans that accommodate physically and mentally disable people based on emotional and heartfelt caring because we feel that we all have the same right to a life of fulfillment and purpose. That's probably blown this debate out of context of this thread.....

One could say that we already have a two tier society, look at the Americans and their obsession with having their perfectly normal teeth yanked from their skulls and having 'un-natural' plastic teeth implanted in their jaws, and the resulting elitism they show to un implanted individuals.
since the 1800 they have repealed the 'you can't marry your cousin' law, and we don't have a race of half human ‘morlocks’ loping around the place.

Assassin 15.12.2010 11:11

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Originally Posted by crazysniper (Post 1045304)
This is insane. Whoever is trying to remove this Law must be a F-eking Psycho.

Its like legalizing rape in a way for f-eck sake!. Absolute Madness!

Are you friends with our chum OSueco per chance? You'd make a lovely couple.:msnsarcastic:

Pray tell, using simple language so that all the peeps here can clearly understand you, why would scrapping the current incest law in any way legalize rape?

crazysniper 15.12.2010 11:52

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Originally Posted by Assassin (Post 1045317)
Are you friends with our chum OSueco per chance? You'd make a lovely couple.:msnsarcastic:

Pray tell, using simple language so that all the peeps here can clearly understand you, why would scrapping the current incest law in any way legalize rape?

Whats wrong with the language i used? Isn't that English to you? :msnsarcastic:

Why i think scrapping the incest Law is in a way legalizing rape? because in my eyes its almost the same. I am entitled to my own opinion right? Otherwise whats the point of having a forum? After all, someone can use this loophole to get away with rape. Don't you think?

And no, i am not a friend of the person you are referring to.

Gastro Gnome 15.12.2010 12:02

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Originally Posted by crazysniper (Post 1045348)
Whats wrong with the language i used? Isn't that English to you? :msnsarcastic:

Why i think scrapping the incest Law is in a way legalizing rape? because in my eyes its almost the same. I am entitled to my own opinion right? Otherwise whats the point of having a forum? After all, someone can use this loophole to get away with rape. Don't you think?

And no, i am not a friend of the person you are referring to.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion. And other people are entitled to question it. By joining in a thread, you are engaging in discussion.

Now tell us why you think rape and incest are comparable. We may be able to unmuddle you.

Upthehatters2008 15.12.2010 12:09

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Originally Posted by Gastro Gnome (Post 1045361)
Now tell us why you think rape and incest are comparable. We may be able to unmuddle you.

Because MOST cases involving incest involve minors , which is statutory rape. Between Father-Daughter and Older--younger (underage) siblings.

Study the facts first before replying please.

Assassin 15.12.2010 12:15

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1045371)
Because MOST cases involving incest involve minors , which is statutory rape. Between Father-Daughter and Older--younger (underage) siblings.

Study the facts first before replying please.

We've just presented the free world with 12 pages of why we're discussing the abolition of an established law regarding consensual intercourse between directly related, legally aged adults which in no way affects the law with regards to abusing minors (or indeed legal adults) with regards to rape or other forms of sexual abuse. No one needs to try and defend the latter.

WhySoSerious? 15.12.2010 12:17

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1045371)
Because MOST cases involving incest involve minors , which is statutory rape. Between Father-Daughter and Older--younger (underage) siblings.

Study the facts first before replying please.

Study the facts? You have monkey for your avatar and you were going about nature this nature that. Ever seen monkeys in action?

MOST does not mean ALL. So why should two ADULTS who are in a relationship by choice be considered criminal and on the same level as someone who rapes a stranger or their own under age kid?

jj muge 15.12.2010 12:18

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did the "incest tourism" argument already come up?:rolleyes:

Upthehatters2008 15.12.2010 12:21

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Originally Posted by WhySoSerious? (Post 1045387)
Study the facts? You have monkey for your avatar and you were going about nature this nature that. Ever seen monkeys in action?

MOST does not mean ALL. So why should two ADULTS who are in a relationship by choice be considered criminal and on the same level as someone who rapes a stranger or their own under age kid?

Re-read the question before my answer.

Re-read my answer.

Go back further and read my views on consenting adults.

You just might get it.

Assassin 15.12.2010 12:21

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Originally Posted by WhySoSerious? (Post 1045387)
Study the facts? You have monkey for your avatar and you were going about nature this nature that. Ever seen monkeys in action?

MOST does not mean ALL. So why should two ADULTS who are in a relationship by choice be considered criminal and on the same level as someone who rapes a stranger or their own under age kid?

Agree with the second part of your post, but would suggest you leave the first part to one side as your "My Little Pony" avatar may leave you open for caustic comments and ridicule in return...:rolleyes:

Assassin 15.12.2010 12:21

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Originally Posted by jj muge (Post 1045388)
did the "incest tourism" argument already come up?:rolleyes:

You mean inviting the family over for Christmas?:eek:

Gastro Gnome 15.12.2010 12:22

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1045371)
Because MOST cases involving incest involve minors , which is statutory rape. Between Father-Daughter and Older--younger (underage) siblings.

Study the facts first before replying please.

We've been through this over and over and over again.

We have child abuse laws and they are seen as sufficient.

You think a law which covers ALL cases, should persist when it's only (possibly) helpful in MOST cases. Even how helpful it is is questioned by the Bundesrat.

It was once claimed that a higher percentage of child abuse was homosexual and that was used as an argument against legalising that. Equally ridiculous.

Laws should address the actual harmful behaviour, not supposedly associated things, which might end up criminalising consenting adults. You seem to think that ruining a few adults lives is a fair price for maintaing a law which is redundant anyway.

Upthehatters2008 15.12.2010 12:25

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Originally Posted by Assassin (Post 1045382)
We've just presented the free world with 12 pages of why we're discussing the abolition of an established law regarding consensual intercourse between directly related, legally aged adults which in no way affects the law with regards to abusing minors (or indeed legal adults) with regards to rape or other forms of sexual abuse. No one needs to try and defend the latter.

That wasn't quite where the argument was going... There are several sub-threads and tangents within. I don't think anyone is accusing consenting incestuous adults as rapists.

Gastro Gnome 15.12.2010 12:26

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1045399)
I don't think anyone is accusing consenting incestuous adults as rapists.

So why do you want to criminalise them?

WhySoSerious? 15.12.2010 12:28

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Originally Posted by Assassin (Post 1045391)
Agree with the second part of your post, but would suggest you leave the first part to one side as your "My Little Pony" avatar may leave you open for caustic comments and ridicule in return...:rolleyes:

People can ridicule my little pony avatar as I am not a serious person. More importantly it's not a pony it's a baboon :msntongue:

crazysniper 15.12.2010 12:30

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Originally Posted by Gastro Gnome (Post 1045361)
Of course you're entitled to your opinion. And other people are entitled to question it. By joining in a thread, you are engaging in discussion.

Now tell us why you think rape and incest are comparable. We may be able to unmuddle you.

Well, i was thinking by removing the incest law you are giving the Psychos out there another Loophole they can exploit to get a way with such crime. That's why i said it that way - It is "Like"

Upthehatters2008 15.12.2010 12:32

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Originally Posted by Gastro Gnome (Post 1045401)
So why do you want to criminalise them?

How many times have I said that I don't ?

This thread has evolved into a wider incest discussion, whilst remaining acceptably on topic. Incest is a far more severe form of Rape, the law should not be dropped, but amended and punishments/deterrents increased.

jj muge 15.12.2010 12:37

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Originally Posted by Assassin (Post 1045394)
You mean inviting the family over for Christmas?:eek:

I'm not here to judge:msncrazy::p
It's just that when there are not many good arguments left the "but people from all over the world will come here and do this" point does come up...

scrambled 15.12.2010 12:39

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17 pages? You guys sure have a lot to say about incest. :msntongue:


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