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Assassin 10.12.2010 17:13

Bundesrat wants to remove incest law
 
Just heard a snippet on the radio about the Bundesrat wanting to remove current incest legislation with reference to intercourse between legally aged family members.

Article 213 of Swiss law states:

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Article 213 of the Swiss Penal Code prohibits incest. Intercourse among siblings or other persons related by blood in direct line is punishable by up to three years imprisonment. The federal government proposed to abolish this prohibition in 2010, arguing that in the few cases where persons were convicted of incest (about three to four each year), other sexual crimes such as child sexual abuse were also committed.
http://www.tagesschau.sf.tv/Nachrich...e-legalisieren

Rather amazingly (not), the traditionalist parties (SVP, CVP & EDP) are rather opposed to this, one can probably see their point.

Oedipus sends his love....:eek:

Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to believe that I'm just going to get a pair of socks or a book voucher from the old folks this Christmas.

Phil_MCR 10.12.2010 17:19

Re: Bundesrat wants to remove incest law
 
frankly, what happens in bed between two consenting adults shouldn't be anyone else's business.

Richard 10.12.2010 17:20

Re: Bundesrat wants to remove incest law
 
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Originally Posted by Assassin (Post 1041188)
Just heard a snippet on the radio about the Bundesrat wanting to remove current incest legislation with reference to intercourse between legally aged family members.

Article 213 of Swiss law states:



http://www.tagesschau.sf.tv/Nachrich...e-legalisieren

Rather amazingly (not), the traditionalist parties (SVP, CVP & EDP) are rather opposed to this, one can probably see their point.

Oedipus sends his love....:eek:

Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to believe that I'm just going to get a pair of socks or a book voucher from the old folks this Christmas.

As long as the SVP don't put this on their kicking out initiative for automatic big boot it should stay, which means I am siding with the SVP for the second time in a month:eek:. For example, what if you don't know its your sister/brother you are about to marry...

Upthehatters2008 10.12.2010 17:24

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1041196)
frankly, what happens in bed between two consenting adults shouldn't be anyone else's business.


I disagree, I have a stake in the gene pool and I don't want some horny bro-mo freaks pissing in the shallow end with banjo playing offspring...

Guest 10.12.2010 17:27

Re: Bundesrat wants to remove incest law
 
My favourite aunt married her cousin- they had to move to New York first- and of course chose not to have children.

Ziger 10.12.2010 17:36

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Well, any changes in the law would be subject to referendum. I'm trying to picture what the SVP campaign poster on the subject would look like?

Downerbuzz 10.12.2010 17:53

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but yuck

Wollishofener 10.12.2010 21:42

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Originally Posted by Ziger (Post 1041212)
Well, any changes in the law would be subject to referendum. I'm trying to picture what the SVP campaign poster on the subject would look like?

they will then show pictures like here :


http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...yUk_oKYyNamH6Q
and the text below would be
do you want the next generation to look like this ?

MrVertigo 10.12.2010 21:52

Re: Bundesrat wants to remove incest law
 
Seriously, the Bundesrat has no other urgent and important topics to address. How many people are concerned? Does it make sense to have a law for such few cases.

tkn 10.12.2010 22:24

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Upthehatters2008 10.12.2010 22:55

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The rumours are true, SVP=Motherffluckers? , literally...

I make no apologies. What kind of sickos want this sin against nature legalised ? Ethics and morality abound here, but Mother Nature has the last laugh.

Guest 10.12.2010 23:02

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Sadly this is a real problem with some Indian groups and arranged marriages. I don't understand incest, just as I do not understand being gay- but I try my best to be tolerant of others. My favourite aunt lost her family and her religion by marrying her cousin (a bit different to having sex with a brother or a parent..) - but she made sure NO children were begotten.:msnsick:

slammer 10.12.2010 23:26

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Woe is me
Shame and scandal in the family
Woe is me
Shame and scandal in the family

In Switzerland there was a family
With much confusion as you will see
It was a mama and a papa and a boy who was grown
He wanted to marry, have a wife of his own
Found a young girl that suited him nice
Went to his papa to ask his advice
His papa said: "Son, I have to say no,
This girl is your sister, but your mama don't know"

Vikster 10.12.2010 23:31

Re: Bundesrat wants to remove incest law
 
Nature clearly indicates that it is genetically wrong!! (increased amount of homozygotes in offspring, leading to congenital birth defeats) and socially taboo - makes my stomach turn at the thought :msnsick::msnsick::msnsick: bleurghhhh...

Illegal for a very good reason, and should be kept that way!

Wollishofener 10.12.2010 23:35

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Originally Posted by MrVertigo (Post 1041350)
Seriously, the Bundesrat has no other urgent and important topics to address. How many people are concerned? Does it make sense to have a law for such few cases.

A majority of the Federal Council apparently regards that existing law as not making sense and wants to abolish it



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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1041382)
The rumours are true, SVP=Motherffluckers? , literally...

I make no apologies. What kind of sickos want this sin against nature legalised ? Ethics and morality abound here, but Mother Nature has the last laugh.

The SVP does NOT want it legalized, but SP, CVP and FDP regard the law apparently as no longer required and want to have it abolished


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Chris83 10.12.2010 23:49

Re: Bundesrat wants to remove incest law
 
I'm a big fan of removing unneccessary laws. It seems senseless to legislate against incest when our genes to a pretty good job of doing so anyway.

Wollishofener 10.12.2010 23:54

Re: Bundesrat wants to remove incest law
 
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Originally Posted by Chris83 (Post 1041415)
I'm a big fan of removing unneccessary laws. It seems senseless to legislate against incest when our genes to a pretty good job of doing so anyway.

This apparently also is the position of the SP/CVP/FDP majority in the federal government

zymogen 11.12.2010 00:25

Re: Bundesrat wants to remove incest law
 
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Originally Posted by Chris83 (Post 1041415)
I'm a big fan of removing unneccessary laws. It seems senseless to legislate against incest when our genes to a pretty good job of doing so anyway.

It's actually under debate whether (only) our genes are responsible for the disgust when thinking about a sexual relationship with parents/siblings.

The "Westermarck effect" says that we feel less sexual attraction to people we were close to during the first 6 years of our life. With divorces increasing and many people having a 'second' family it's not unusual that the kids don't grow up with their siblings/halfsiblings and don't develop this natural aversion against incest.

:msncrazy:

SamWeiseVielleicht 11.12.2010 01:36

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Originally Posted by MrVertigo (Post 1041350)
Seriously, the Bundesrat has no other urgent and important topics to address. How many people are concerned? Does it make sense to have a law for such few cases.

Yes, there are more important topics. Such as the harmonization of penalties in the swiss penal code and the swiss military penal code, where hundreds of different articles were checked for consistency , applicability and proportionality, the article on incest being just one of dozens and dozens of articles that were looked at in the preliminary stage for the introduction of the "federal law on the harmonization of penalties".

All the fuss is about a very early stage in the law-making process (consultation), even before the final draw of the proposed law is put before the parliament for the first time.

IMHO, the final product will be changed and the article on incest will be kept the way it is.

miniMia 11.12.2010 06:09

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Originally Posted by MrVertigo (Post 1041350)
Seriously, the Bundesrat has no other urgent and important topics to address. How many people are concerned? Does it make sense to have a law for such few cases.

This is exactly what I was thinking when I read this. I think everyone who can vote should write and tell them to cut the crap & focus on what is important.


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