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Faltrad 20.12.2010 16:46

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But to expect after 2 years, that people can communicate at a basic level, orally and aurally - would be abso fair enough.
Except the Dutch. I give them two days. :D

20.12.2010 16:51

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Whether you are contributing financially to a system or not, even substantially- is irrelevant to the human requirement to show basic respect to the local population, surely.
Thanks for this - if you'd just read my earlier posts you'd know that I dealt with the human requirement already, but let's do it in a little more detail. I don't see moving to a country to work and contribute, both by adding my cultural identity and uniqueness and my other contributions, including creating employment and paying concussive taxes down the employment chain, as necessitating any further levels of respect. The Swiss agree with me. Kanton Zug jumps through hoops to get FDI, slashing taxes and positively discriminating towards a variety of foreign companies and their workers.

If Switzerland no longer wants me here, it is at liberty to write to me and ask me to leave. I would have no problem with that. But then all the EU immigrants leave and Switzerland spirals into nothingness. Oh well.

Guest 20.12.2010 16:53

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Well yes, I was being very generous, for those who are a bit on the slow side.;) (many of us thick Swiss took a couple of months to get to grips with English. Some will say the grammar is easy - but phrasal verbs can be a bit daunting. Think to the verb 'to put down' and how many versions you can come up with!). :p



MusicChick 20.12.2010 16:57

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I agree a test beforehand would be totally counterproductive. But to expect after 2 years, that people can communicate at a basic level, orally and aurally - would be abso fair enough.
Let's not forget ideally, that's what most people seem to want. But not everyone can chieve, so to measure and punish those who might not achieve this, for whatever reason would be silly. The reasons might be caring for kids at home, having an intense job, not enough cash for classes (the benevole offered ones I went to suck), uhm...you name it. I understand the requirement, or human requirement as you put it, nobody seems to have a trouble with it, what I have trouble with is a legal way to try to measure unmeasurable, or throw all people in one cathegory, those who don't want to learn (if they don't their biz, really) and those who can't, as enemies of the state.

Guest 20.12.2010 16:59

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I am not talking about Kanton Zug, the authorities or the Government, or indeed Blocher, the UDC/SVP - I am talking about respect to your neighbours and your community. Somehow, I don't think I'll get through to you - as I can't reach so high, right up there to the top of your financial Pedestal.:)
So have a Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year.

20.12.2010 17:04

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I am not talking about Kanton Zug, the authorities or the Government, or indeed Blocher, the UDC/SVP - I am talking about respect to your neighbours and your community. Somehow, I don't think I'll get through to you - as I can't reach so high, right up there to the top of your financial Pedestal.:)
So have a Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year.
I find it amusing that I am trying to have a logical discussion here and you resort to "reverse" condescension in practically every post. I don't know what you mean by a community (maybe in the Swiss legal sense of Commune) but I don't live in a community. I have a family, an apartment, and a place of work. That's all. I live in central Zurich where everyone speaks pretty good English. I don't feel like I walk around offending people with my lack of German - in fact most people are blissfully happy to have the opportunity to practice their English.

More than that, being a "net contributor" doesn't have much to do with wealth. It's just paying in more taxes than you're taking out. Most (almost all) EU-15 immigrants fall into this category. But doesn't it stand to reason that if you make it hard in any way for immigrants to come to the country, the ones who have a choice will choose a different country to move to, and those are the ones Switzerland really wants to attract in the first place.

Guest 20.12.2010 17:14

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Oh sorry I did not realise you don't talk to your neighbours, don't shop, don't go out for meals, etc. If you live in splendid isolation, then I suppose that is just fine. I sincerely hope you enjoy your time in Switzerland but feel it is a pity you won't get to know any of us native peasants.:msngrin: Is money and a job the only reason for going to live abroad? You are missing a lot I feel - but realise you won't agree. Over and out.

20.12.2010 17:19

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Oh sorry I did not realise you don't talk to your neighbours, don't shop, don't go out for meals, etc. If you live in splendid isolation, then I suppose that is just fine. I sincerely hope you enjoy your time in Switzerland but feel it is a pity you won't get to know any of us native peasants.:msngrin:
My neighbours are lovely and from Chicago, and we get by with only moderate Mundart thank goodness. Everyone who works in my local Migros is Italian, but even though my Italian is far better than my German, they insist on speaking English. All the restaurant waiters and waitresses in 8001, 05, 08 etc seem to speak English but then next time I'm in a stube in deepest Schwyz I'll be sure to call you. I don't live in isolation and don't see any need to speak the local language.

But all of this is completely irrelevant. What possibly business is it of the Federal Government if I'm happy, my employer is happy, the businesses that I give money to are happy, and my Kanton is happy?

Doesn't seem very Swiss to me. Oh, and apology accepted.

MusicChick 20.12.2010 17:19

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Oh sorry I did not realise you don't talk to your neighbours, don't shop, don't go out for meals, etc. If you live in splendid isolation, then I suppose that is just fine. I sincerely hope you enjoy your time in Switzerland but feel it is a pity you won't get to know any of us native peasants.:msngrin:
Why be so personal? And why the mockery? I am sure economisto respeks the people who are worth it. I don't think love and respek for the country comes necessarrily in a black and white package, ie with those really obvious things, like language. It shows in many lot more subtle things, but I am not sure if the culture here is fit for subtleties..:D Ok, now I mock, oops. But really. Why this panicky mode? And all the hurt, if you don't learn you don't like us? I think it is a privilege to come from a country with a chipmunk lingo that is just simply way too hard to learn. In any time. I only know 2 people who actually are somewhere close to B2 after good 20 years. So we do not translate love and respek for the country to the language aptitude. Rather into how many Czech beers that person drinks...:D and if they flirt with (and marry) our wenches.

20.12.2010 17:26

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1050220)
Why be so personal? And why the mockery? I am sure economisto respects the people who are worth it.

Actually I respect all the people of Switzerland - I think they're lovely. But coming from London, where there are more immigrants than there are locals (not true but it can seem that way) I can tell you that I don't want them all speaking English. The ones that need to, do but I don't want to be rejecting a talented Gujurati chef because he speaks not a word of English - I want to bend over backwards to keep him knocking out those delicious chana dahls day after day. I want giant Turkish supermarkets like they have in London - they add to the life and feel of a place so much that to stop people coming here because they need to bring the 92 year old grandfather from Canakale and he can't remember his own name never mind learn a new language....well that's just crazy to me.

MusicChick 20.12.2010 17:36

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1050241)
Actually I respect all the people of Switzerland - I think they're lovely. But coming from London, where there are more immigrants than there are locals (not true but it can seem that way) I can tell you that I don't want them all speaking English. The ones that need to, do but I don't want to be rejecting a talented Gujurati chef because he speaks not a word of English - I want to bend over backwards to keep him knocking out those delicious chana dahls day after day. I want giant Turkish supermarkets like they have in London - they add to the life and feel of a place so much that to stop people coming here because they need to bring the 92 year old grandfather from Canakale and he can't remember his own name never mind learn a new language....well that's just crazy to me.

Ah, you make me miss diversity, it hurts. Just a place where not everyone's shampoo is from Migros, where people are into culinary joy, where people don't quieten their talk when somebody passes by so he wouldn't hear their imperfect accent or omg the fact they are not speaking in one of the national languages..The push for conformity could kill the spirit. I only like it when driving.

Guest 20.12.2010 17:39

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1050241)
... But coming from London, where there are more immigrants than there are locals (not true but it can seem that way) I can tell you that I don't want them all speaking English. ....


Yeah, I find it tragic that some people water down their culture in order to try to fit in. Although learning the local language is nothing but more useful for them.

Switzerland already tries to fit square pegs into round holes. I have less respect for those who will voluntarily sanitize themselves of their own ethnicity in order to please the locals. It strikes me as a gross selling out of one's identity.

20.12.2010 17:42

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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1050259)
Yeah, I find it tragic that some people water down their culture in order to try to fit in. Although learning the local language is nothing but more useful for them.

Switzerland already tries to fit square pegs into round holes. I have less respect for those who will voluntarily sanitize themselves of their own ethnicity in order to please the locals. It strikes me as a gross selling out of one's identity.

Yeah but definitely the state should offer a free basic course (say 10 hours of classroom time) to all immigrants. It's useful to them. But saying "don't come here without the language" is harmful to all concerned. Now, about the Turkish supermarket...they make the goats cheese on site you know... :p

m_dalloway 20.12.2010 17:44

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1050241)
Actually I respect all the people of Switzerland - I think they're lovely.

Liar. :) this message is too short

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1050241)
After three years I've found that much like France, Switzerland is best enjoyed in isolation from the locals. "wonderful country, shame about the people" sort of thing.


20.12.2010 17:48

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Originally Posted by m_dalloway (Post 1050274)
Liar. :) this message is too short

yeah yeah cheeky so and so. Alright, but I don't have a specific problem with the locals, they just keep getting on my case with language and general foreigner hating. And they aren't generally too friendly. And they have toilet flushing and lawn mowing and car washing issues. But other than that they're awesome. Oh, and the far right SVP is a major party with loads of genuine popular support. And everything costs 4 times as much including the fruit which is always rotten by the time it makes it home and....

OSueco 20.12.2010 17:49

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Originally Posted by Faltrad (Post 1049958)
Even the Blocher's proposal is not about grammar - at all. Just that you know.

how can you be so sure?...they will probably adept the tests so the quotas are in order...

OSueco 20.12.2010 17:52

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1049556)
Italian IS a Swiss language!

It's crap like this that makes me refuse to speak German!

Tom

Because speaking fluent italian would help you in the german speaking parts...:rolleyes:

ciao Tom

20.12.2010 17:52

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Originally Posted by OSueco (Post 1050285)
how can you be so sure?...they will probably adept the tests so the quotas are in order...

yeah. Immediately it'll be a really easy language test but it'll gradually increase in difficulty until there are no more brown people in Switzerland, which is the real aim of the SVP.

http://www.hurryupharry.org/wp-conte...11/svp_01a.jpg

greenmount 20.12.2010 17:53

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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1050259)
Yeah, I find it tragic that some people water down their culture in order to try to fit in. Although learning the local language is nothing but more useful for them.

Switzerland already tries to fit square pegs into round holes. I have less respect for those who will voluntarily sanitize themselves of their own ethnicity in order to please the locals. It strikes me as a gross selling out of one's identity.

Sometimes they are asked to do so. I have an Italian acquaintance who was asked by some Swiss moms from her child's school not to speake Italian anymore "because she's living now in Switzerland and in the German part." (she's from Southern Italy and it happened some years ago)
How would you feel? Would you "proudly" continue to speak your lingo exposing your child to even more bullying and rudeness or would you just not speak your lingo in public at least? Hard to say, especially when one is not in this position.

Guest 20.12.2010 17:54

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1050268)
Yeah but definitely the state should offer a free basic course (say 10 hours of classroom time) to all immigrants. It's useful to them. But saying "don't come here without the language" is harmful to all concerned. Now, about the Turkish supermarket...they make the goats cheese on site you know... :p


Well, God knows someone needs to come here and teach the Swiss how to cook. I would not have survived here had it not been for ethnic markets. Imagine eating nothing but potatoes, sausages, and dairy products day in and day out. :msnsick:

The whole compulsory language requirement is fascist to the core. The truth is, the SVP is afraid people can manage to live here without the involvement of the Swiss. Communities of people speaking the same language strengthens the community. I don't believe the SVP would like to see any sub-cultures flourish and take root in Switzerland. The language requirement issue would effectively break down any ethnic community strongholds.

MusicChick 20.12.2010 17:54

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Some cantons do have immigration language courses, those with high ratio. I was asked to teach in one, I think I will take up on it when it is ok for us not to be paid for work. The trouble is, they are not high quality at all. If you fish for a good teacher, you are ok, but if you don't you might end up with somebody constantly yelling at you, trying to spell "g o o g l e " to a lot more educated people than her patronizing self, etc. The innappropritate classroom behavior happened to me a couple of times, I swiftly reported and changed the profs. Some people dare a lot to foreigners when there is no control. So, while we are at the eye tearing idea of love and respect for the country, human requirements, it works both ways..

20.12.2010 17:55

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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 1050297)
Sometimes they are asked to do so. I have an Italian acquaintance who was asked by some Swiss moms from her child's school not to speake Italian anymore "because she's living now in Switzerland and in the German part." (she's from Southern Italy and it happened some years ago)
How would you feel? Would you "proudly" continue to speak your lingo exposing your child to even more bullying and rudeness or would you just not speak your lingo in public at least? Hard to say, especially when one is not in this position.

I'd leave. When in bigoted, racist company, leaving the room is the civilised choice.

20.12.2010 17:57

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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1050298)
Well, God knows someone needs to come here and teach the Swiss how to cook. I would not have survived here had it not been for ethnic markets. Imagine eating nothing but potatoes, sausages, and dairy products day in and day out. :msnsick:

The whole compulsory language requirement is fascist to the core. The truth is, the SVP is afraid people can manage to live here without the involvement of the Swiss. Communities of people speaking the same language strengthens the community. I don't believe the SVP would like to see any sub-cultures flourish and take root in Switzerland. The language requirement issue would effectively break down any ethnic community strongholds.

Nail. Head. Vaporised.

Guest 20.12.2010 18:00

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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 1050297)
Sometimes they are asked to do so. I have an Italian acquaintance who was asked by some Swiss moms from her child's school not to speake Italian anymore "because she's living now in Switzerland and in the German part." (she's from Southern Italy and it happened some years ago)
How would you feel? Would you "proudly" continue to speak your lingo exposing your child to even more bullying and rudeness or would you just not speak your lingo in public at least? Hard to say, especially when one is not in this position.


Haha. I was also requested by my kid's teacher to speak Swiss German at home. :D I laughed in her face.

I told her, "Look, I come from an international world. English is key to functioning in this world. I am ensuring that my kids will continue to be fluent in English, so we will be continuing to speak English at home. Your Swiss students will also likely have to learn English, and to be perfectly frank, I don't think Swiss German is that essential for me." She was dumbfounded by the directness of the comment, and walked away quietly.

If I were her, I might have suggested they learn more Italian because Italian sounds a lot more beautiful than Swiss German.

Jim2007 20.12.2010 18:04

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Actually for a while now I've been of the opinion that this really is not about language, integration or all the usually stuff the SVP go on with. It's really about the bi-laterals and the SVP's desire to frustrate them. Little by little they are trying to chip away at them, in the hope that at some point the EU will simply get browned off and cancel them.

Jim.

Faltrad 20.12.2010 18:05

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Phos... how is that different from left politics in France? The same policy would be left in France and fascistic in Switzerland? :confused:

Mud 20.12.2010 18:07

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I learned my first German from my Dad, who's about 5th generation German from one of those little enclaves in the U.S. where immigrants from certain countries would congregate- like the Swedes and Fins in northern Michigan and such. His family did its best to keep traditions alive from the old country, while integrating and becoming 'merican. So his great, great, great, great, grandmother ***ked a *****r, - crap, True Romance moment- so his folk's folk's folks kept tradition and culture alive from 'home', balancing that with integrating into their new home. Super! Didn't read the rest of the thread, but we're doing the same, bi-cultural family in a 3rd culture. Yogurt supreme. The square heads in right field want tests? Before coming? Wha'ever. Never happen. Test to get a C permit I can see. Wha'ever.

20.12.2010 18:07

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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1050307)

If I were her, I might have suggested they learn more Italian because Italian sounds a lot more beautiful than Swiss German.

Indeed. The Holy Roman Emperor, Charles V, who really did have a perspective on such matters said, "I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men and German to my horse."

MusicChick 20.12.2010 18:09

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1050281)
yeah yeah cheeky so and so. Alright, but I don't have a specific problem with the locals, they just keep getting on my case with language and general foreigner hating. And they aren't generally too friendly. And they have toilet flushing and lawn mowing and car washing issues. But other than that they're awesome. Oh, and the far right SVP is a major party with loads of genuine popular support. And everything costs 4 times as much including the fruit which is always rotten by the time it makes it home and....

They are awesome, this is turning into yet nother gripe thread, hahaha...They are most awesome. I do think it is a good, healthy symbiosis, to influence the locals to let go a bit from their controlling tendencies and us sucking up our pride a tad, learn how to be humble and take orders when needed. I think it is great. I just don't want to be sneared at for keeping a part of my own identity, language at home for example, or ease I laugh with, spontaneity, fearlessness, I don't want to become people pleaser and paranoid about dirty windows and car that is parked with 2" incorrectness...that's what make people people, their unique stuff, I don't want locals to try to push it out of us. I think what really is happening, no matter of the whole SVP shibang, everyone benefits here from the (watch out, my fav word) melange here. I think, overall, foreigners are well accepted, I think the peeps up there dislike the fact the most of the population has already made up their mind, which is actually like the foreigners here and live with them, help them adjust, support and learn from them. That's mostly my experience: at work, at home, in our town, where we used to live in boonies. I think peeps up there lose control a tad over what may have been easily controlled before, that's why the campaigns are so in our face and so loud. Otherwise, they wouldn't have to be. Right?

20.12.2010 18:09

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Originally Posted by Faltrad (Post 1050315)
Phos... how is that different from left politics in France? The same policy would be left in France and fascistic in Switzerland? :confused:

Because it's a myth that the political (not economic) right and left are far apart. Indeed if you go far enough to the left and right, they'll meet. That's why the Nazi party was National Socialism.

Faltrad 20.12.2010 18:12

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So you mean that Blochers obsession with Swissness and France's republican tradition are one and the same thing? Wow... write a book about it, that's quite a sensational discovery. You'll be famous.

Guest 20.12.2010 18:13

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Originally Posted by Faltrad (Post 1050315)
Phos... how is that different from left politics in France? The same policy would be left in France and fascistic in Switzerland? :confused:

I'm not sure which french leftist policies you are referring to, but I think it is a common misunderstanding that fascism is an attribute of the right. I happen to think fascism often comes from the left.

In this and many cases, the SVP platform is based on maintaining Swiss hegemony in Switzerland. They are going up against a wall that is "the rest of the world", and trying to maneuver so that the Swiss come up on top in Switzerland. They will try to do this by socially engineering Switzerland through legislation.

greenmount 20.12.2010 18:16

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1050301)
I'd leave. When in bigoted, racist company, leaving the room is the civilised choice.

That would be my favourite option too, but we both know that sometimes people can't leave just like that and they have to put up with a lot of crap...I believe first generation of immigrants it's a sacrifice generation in most cases. Not only they have difficulties in learning the local language, adapting to a new culture, but also because they feel their kids would practically speak "another language" (language meaning also a different culture, a different set of values). This acquaintance of mine thought her son to be open and friendly and one day he came home from school and said "it was all her fault, teaching him unrealistic things, Swiss people are not like that". I really pity all the foreign parents having to deal with such conflicts and a love/hate relation of a child to his parents' native culture(if I might call this relation like that) when raising children abroad.

Faltrad 20.12.2010 18:19

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I see... so left is right and right is left. That's impressive. You should tell the NPD and Blocher about it, they don't seem to know that.

20.12.2010 18:20

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Originally Posted by Faltrad (Post 1050338)
I see... so left is right and right is left. That's impressive. You should tell the NPD and Blocher about it, they don't seem to know that.

I'm sorry, do you have a point to make that isn't self indulgent sarcasm, or would you like to leave the room while the adults are speaking?

Guest 20.12.2010 18:21

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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 1050335)
That would be my favourite option too, but we both know that sometimes people can't leave just like that and they have to put up with a lot of crap...I believe first generation of immigrants it's a sacrifice generation in most cases. Not only they have difficulties in learning the local language, adapting to a new culture, but also because they feel their kids would practically speak "another language" (language meaning also a different culture, a different set of values). This acquaintance of mine thought her son to be open and friendly and one day he came home from school and said "it was all her fault, teaching him unrealistic things, Swiss people are not like that". I really pitty all the foreign parents having to deal with such conflicts and a love/hate relation of a child to his parents' native culture(if I might call it like that) when raising children abroad.


I have heard from Swiss Italians who have been living in Zurich for decades. They say that to this day, the Swiss Germans play the language card on them to make them seem less Swiss, although the Swiss Italians are fully Swiss.

So take heart expats. Don't expect so much from them, and you will be less disappointed. Also, rest assured that things are changing fast.

20.12.2010 18:21

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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 1050335)
That would be my favourite option too, but we both know that sometimes people can't leave just like that and they have to put up with a lot of crap...I believe first generation of immigrants it's a sacrifice generation in most cases. Not only they have difficulties in learning the local language, adapting to a new culture, but also because they feel their kids would practically speak "another language" (language meaning also a different culture, a different set of values). This acquaintance of mine thought her son to be open and friendly and one day he came home from school and said "it was all her fault, teaching him unrealistic things, Swiss people are not like that". I really pity all the foreign parents having to deal with such conflicts and a love/hate relation of a child to his parents' native culture(if I might call this relation like that) when raising children abroad.

Then smile sweetly, nod kindly, and continue doing whatever you like. Stop speaking mellifluous Italian in favour of dialect German? Pah!

20.12.2010 18:22

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1050340)
I'm sorry, do you have a point to make that isn't self indulgent sarcasm, or would you like to leave the room while the adults are speaking?

BURRRNNNNNNN


(can I stay?)

Faltrad 20.12.2010 18:26

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1050340)
I'm sorry, do you have a point to make that isn't self indulgent sarcasm, or would you like to leave the room while the adults are speaking?

I stay as long as I have something to learn from the Masters. You have a new fan, that's a good thing for you. I've just learnt that Stalin and Hitler actually were good political friends and that their war obviously was not for real as far-left meeting far-right would not end up in a conflict but in a wonderful garden party.

I've also learnt what a glass house is.

My real opinion about the Blocher matter is: See above.

20.12.2010 18:31

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Originally Posted by Faltrad (Post 1050350)
I stay as long as I have something to learn from the Masters. You have a new fan, that's a good thing for you. I've just learnt that Stalin and Hitler actually were good political friends and that their war obviously was not for real as far-left meeting far-right would not end up in a conflict but in a wonderful garden party.

I've also learnt what a glashouse is.

My real opinion about the Blocher matter is:
Blocher couldn't care less about what we all think or discuss. It's about the next election and basic rethorics strategy. I don't vote, but I teach the latter. So if I wanted to be indulgent sarcastic, that would be more than you can handle.

Good friends? No, in the same way that two psychotics might like to kill each other, but be more similar than either could imagine. H and S both had nice little views about elimination of various sectors of society in order to achieve betterment. They were practically the same.

None of your second paragraph makes much sense except to say that you're already more than we can handle Faltrad.


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