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MusicChick 20.12.2010 18:48

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Originally Posted by Faltrad (Post 1050350)
I stay as long as I have something to learn from the Masters. You have a new fan, that's a good thing for you. I've just learnt that Stalin and Hitler actually were good political friends and that their war obviously was not for real as far-left meeting far-right would not end up in a conflict but in a wonderful garden party.

Ok, this will sound douche, but did you really just learn this? Isn't it a fact known for...like 20years? They had a pack, you did know, right? Totalitarianism is one, does not matter if left or right. Same ol shtick.

Faltrad 20.12.2010 18:48

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If only you had an idea how Blocher and co couldn't care less what we all think and say here - the only goal of the public declarations are to continue what he has done without interruption since the very beginning of his political activities. If you have enough memory, you'll know what that mean. Otherwise, just wait and you will learn this time around.
SVP/UDC/PPS wants to be the largest party in the country in next elections - Blocher plans to get back to federal council with three non-Widmer Schlumpf councelors of his party. How do you think one gets the Swiss voters to choose this party rather than another one? Well, do the same as Blocher: check what worked before and redo it in a new packaging.

SVP/UDC/PPS public declaration have three topics:
1. language and culture: CH is different, even Germans don't speak the right kind of German, language test before arrival, defending Swiss gruyère against French producers...
2. criminality and security: CH ethnics are crimeless, mafia, racaille in Geneva, foreigners city criminality, crime rates, Ivan...
3. social benefit fraud: CH citizen pay, foreigners steal and lie, houses in Kosovo...

Now take Blocher's agenda and follow his deeds and words: he takes turns shouting about these three topics. It's a rota system. It's been going on for almost 15 years. So what is to be discussed here? Certainly not what I am reading. The remark about demining the bilateral agreement was however an interesting one.

ground 20.12.2010 19:18

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Well if they ask foreigners to make those tests, why not make the Swiss in the Swiss-german part of the country to make a German test as well?

For many, Hochdeutsch is also a foreign language, as far as I can judge.

It is a bit awkward to expect foreigners to be proficient in German whereas the local population has a hard time speaking it properly, even more writing.

Guest 20.12.2010 19:19

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I loathe the aims of the SVP/UDC - I think I made that clear before. And I truly believe that multiculturalism is enriching for all. I lived and taught in Leicester for a long time - and I know a good curry (or 2). I agree that it is ludicrous to give prospective immigrant written, or even oral tests, before coming to live/work here. I agree totally that different people are entitled to keep their culture and language when living abroad, and that it is to the benefit of all. I also believe that if you choose to live in another country, you also have responsibilities- to try and understand how your chosen new country 'ticks' and to learn to communicate at basic level. In an ideal world, people should understand how important this is to encourage understanding and prevent possible resentment from some. How some cannot understand this is beyond me. We speak English at home, of course, but have the courtesy to speak French when in company, again as a matter of respect. Musicchick, I can assure you that if I ever go and live in the Czech Republic, I would learn Czech, however difficult it is. A beautiful country- Bohemia is very much like the Jura.

MrVertigo 20.12.2010 20:18

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Originally Posted by Faltrad (Post 1050338)
I see... so left is right and right is left. That's impressive. You should tell the NPD and Blocher about it, they don't seem to know that.

Phos is right on this. Very often the extremes tend to look very similar in approach and thinking. This is valid for religious extremists as well as political extremists. As a matter of fact a lot of the "ouvrier" who used to vote communist (or trotskist) in France are voting Front National of Le Pen. There are also many "transfuges" from extreme-left to extreme-right.
A recent anti-islamic rallye in Paris (last week-end) was held by extreme-right group (Bloc Identitaire) and exteme-left (Riposte Laique). The presence of Oskar Freysinger was saluted by an ovation.

kurve 20.12.2010 20:33

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I would just like to see the number of Swiss people passing that test!
Wonder what the success rate would be.
Our mastery ( I am Swiss) of the language is sometimes doubtful, honestly !! ;-(

yjt 20.12.2010 21:03

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This is the perfect topic for the SVP. It's their usual makes-no-difference-but-gets-the-voters-out policy but in the unlikely event this would get passed then they've made themselves their next topic which would be the inevitable greater influx of Germans

MusicChick 20.12.2010 22:21

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Originally Posted by MrVertigo (Post 1050435)
Phos is right on this. Very often the extremes tend to look very similar in approach and thinking. This is valid for religious extremists as well as political extremists. As a matter of fact a lot of the "ouvrier" who used to vote communist (or trotskist) in France are voting Front National of Le Pen. There are also many "transfuges" from extreme-left to extreme-right.
A recent anti-islamic rallye in Paris (last week-end) was held by extreme-right group (Bloc Identitaire) and exteme-left (Riposte Laique). The presence of Oskar Freysinger was saluted by an ovation.

OK, I think totalitarism is totalitarism, no matter if it gets called left or right. It boils down to the same strategies, just different semantics.

Odile, you are too nice. I am sure you would since you have love for languages. But I am not mad at friends and people I have played with that they didn't speak it after a decade or two of being in Praha, it is just too hard. And jezevec is a nice word. Krtek too, I don't know why they renamed him Max here :eek::msngrin:.

I think Swiss think everyone is good at languages and everyone can pick it up just like that, since they pretty much have to. But, the reality is, the world outside of this little land is not as linguisticaly skilled. So to expect from people to excell just like Swiss do not real, and I really think they are no. 1 in languages due to the historical linguistic policies. People would benefit, but some would be too punished, me thinks. I am also a Czech teacher so I would love people to know my mother tongue. But because I know how terribly difficult it is, it does not surprise me that unless you get married there and have a family, you pretty much don't achieve anywhere near fluency.

Guest 20.12.2010 22:28

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Agreed. As said, I'm not talking about fluency and grammatical perfection here - just basic communication. My OH only failed one exam in his life, and it was French O'Level. He is a scientist, has no talent for languages- but he is making an effort, as said before, out of simple courtesy and respect. Just common sense. I hosted so many post grads and very senior staff from the Science Faculty from Praha and Ceske Budjevitze (spelling?? sorry) and have visited many times - they all spoke excellent English of course. A great country. Have a great Christmas.

KeinFranzösisch 30.12.2010 14:44

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Not a bad thing, but if I had to prove my ability to speak one of the four national languages prior to departure for CH, I'd utterly fail. Nothing can provide lessons in fluency better than immersion.

Ironically, as somone else pointed out, many of the "undesirable types" speak French as a native language. (Thanks, Imperial France!)

But how would CH feel if I, as an intended immigrant, showed up at the embassy, intending to reside in Zürich, and tried to pass my language test in Italian?

Or what if I showed up speaking Hochdeutsch instead of Schweizerdütsch?

But give me 2-5 years of immersion, and I will learn a LOT more.

French? forget it. Too many missing letters.

srzbae 30.12.2010 16:36

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Blocher (and his minions) should be expelled and stripped of Swiss nationality for flagrant lack of integration in the social reality of the 21st century Switzerland.:torch:


I'm Swiss, and I'm sick and tired of the SVP and it's views from the middle ages!

Gastro Gnome 30.12.2010 17:54

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Originally Posted by Faltrad (Post 1049022)
These tests exist for German in Goethe Institutes and for French in the network of centres culturels. That covers the basic needs, Switzerland itself would have little to do for it.

So they'd be testing in Standard German as an integration test? I'm learning German (doing a B1+ course now) and I don't feel integrated at all!

Gastro Gnome 30.12.2010 18:02

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1050324)
Because it's a myth that the political (not economic) right and left are far apart. Indeed if you go far enough to the left and right, they'll meet. That's why the Nazi party was National Socialism.

It's a bit more complex than that. Generally if you want to enact extremist policies it helps if you don't have democratic checks and balances. Nazism and Soviet Marxist-Leninism are united by totalitarianism rather than by a set of values, e.g. Nazis favoured traditional roles for women, the Soviets promoted the idea of equality.

marton 30.12.2010 18:26

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Originally Posted by KeinFranzösisch (Post 1056227)
Not a bad thing, but if I had to prove my ability to speak one of the four national languages prior to departure for CH, I'd utterly fail. Nothing can provide lessons in fluency better than immersion.

Ironically, as somone else pointed out, many of the "undesirable types" speak French as a native language. (Thanks, Imperial France!)

But how would CH feel if I, as an intended immigrant, showed up at the embassy, intending to reside in Zürich, and tried to pass my language test in Italian?

Or what if I showed up speaking Hochdeutsch instead of Schweizerdütsch?

But give me 2-5 years of immersion, and I will learn a LOT more.

French? forget it. Too many missing letters.

About "Or what if I showed up speaking Hochdeutsch instead of Schweizerdütsch? "

Then you will be fine; Hochdeutsch is an official Swiss language, Schweizerdütsch is not".

I do not see anybody doing Schweizerdütsch language tests; there are at least 40 different versions & it is a spoken language not written. Far too complicated to test :D

Wollishofener 30.12.2010 18:45

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Originally Posted by KeinFranzösisch (Post 1056227)
Not a bad thing, but if I had to prove my ability to speak one of the four national languages prior to departure for CH, I'd utterly fail. Nothing can provide lessons in fluency better than immersion.

Ironically, as somone else pointed out, many of the "undesirable types" speak French as a native language. (Thanks, Imperial France!)

But how would CH feel if I, as an intended immigrant, showed up at the embassy, intending to reside in Zürich, and tried to pass my language test in Italian?

Or what if I showed up speaking Hochdeutsch instead of Schweizerdütsch?

But give me 2-5 years of immersion, and I will learn a LOT more.

French? forget it. Too many missing letters.


Just RELAX. The industry-leaders are in absolute protest about his proposal. And it already is clear that he cannot even count on a full support from his own party. If he really launches an initiative, there will be real action against which will succeed. His party however would like to get 30% of the seats in either house of the Federal Parliament in autumn 11 and so they develop into absolute attention-whores :) .

The FDP meanwhile has reorganized for the election-campaign and "taken back" party-leader Mr Pelli and already given top roles to their Bundesräte Messrs Schneider-Ammann and Burkhalter. The SP, under the formal leadership of Mr Levrat and under the increasingly defacto leadership of Mr Wermuth is driving to the left, with Mr Wermuth arguing that they have to offer REAL alternatives, and that they should be on course within half a year. Interesting will be to see how the "Social-Catholics" (CVP) will go ahead, and of course also what things will be for the BDP.

Wollishofener 30.12.2010 18:48

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 1056332)
About "Or what if I showed up speaking Hochdeutsch instead of Schweizerdütsch? "

Then you will be fine; Hochdeutsch is an official Swiss language, Schweizerdütsch is not".

I do not see anybody doing Schweizerdütsch language tests; there are at least 40 different versions & it is a spoken language not written. Far too complicated to test :D

The Swiss-German dialects are dialectS and not a language or languages :)

cheesey 30.12.2010 21:02

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SVP language test (Deutsch):

Was ist Ihre Hautfarbe? - Weiß/anderen
Ihren Namen hat die mit "ich"? - Ja / nein
Sie bauen Minarette? - Ja / nein

cheesey 30.12.2010 21:15

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Speaking from the viewpoint of a non-D/F/I speaking person living in CH and working for a large multinational firm who employs legions of "expats" and imported talent, it would be a huge strain on the firm if this rule was introduced. Frankly there is a shortage of suitably skilled/inclined Swiss people wanting to do these highly paid jobs. There are many Germans and to a lesser extent French/Italians working here, but to put a barrier up to English-speakers would be a real problem. Today's globally mobile 'top talent' comes from UK/US/EU, but tomorrow's will be Indian I think, at least in IT. It's already cheaper to move them to Singapore or other asian countries, but there are reasons for having people in CH, and it must help the country as a whole.

As if Switzerland's job market isn't already feeling the bite of off-shoring, this will only add to the problem.


Of course, Indian people, even highly educated/skilled ones, are not likely to be high on SVP's exceptions list.

adi_rock 30.12.2010 21:52

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i guess they do not want immigrants around here anymore...i wonder how life would be here without "immigrants"?? i mean, c'mon people, we made and we are making switzerland what it is today!!!maybe everything is not so beautiful, but at least we tried our best...among white sheep there will always be some black, but that doesnt mean that we all are bad!!!

spiderdaddy 30.12.2010 22:01

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Originally Posted by cheesey (Post 1056403)
SVP language test (Deutsch):
Ihren Namen hat die mit "ich"? - Ja / nein

Wie bitte?

Wem sein ist das Rad vor Tür? ... Ich!

spiderdaddy 30.12.2010 22:19

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When are we and especially the other Swiss political parties going to stop letting the SVP decide the agenda here?

This kind of suggestion cannot stand up to any kind of reasonable argument, it is purely designed to pander to the fears of Swiss citizens about which direction their country is taking, instead of having a sensible debate about what needs to be done to keep Switzerland's current standard of living.

The other parties could start by exposing the holes in pages 45-47 of the SVP Programme on Education, which reads more like something out of a Victorian Workhouse manifesto than a commitment to build a skilled workforce ready to take Switzerland beyond the next decade.

It's time for the other 70% of the Swiss population to stop being so naive about this party, it really is.

cheesey 30.12.2010 22:40

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Originally Posted by spiderdaddy (Post 1056433)
Wie bitte?

Wem sein ist das Rad vor Tür? ... Ich!

Evidently with my addiction to Google translate I wouldn't pass their test

Wollishofener 31.12.2010 00:01

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Originally Posted by spiderdaddy (Post 1056442)
When are we and especially the other Swiss political parties going to stop letting the SVP decide the agenda here?

This kind of suggestion cannot stand up to any kind of reasonable argument, it is purely designed to pander to the fears of Swiss citizens about which direction their country is taking, instead of having a sensible debate about what needs to be done to keep Switzerland's current standard of living.

The other parties could start by exposing the holes in pages 45-47 of the SVP Programme on Education, which reads more like something out of a Victorian Workhouse manifesto than a commitment to build a skilled workforce ready to take Switzerland beyond the next decade.

It's time for the other 70% of the Swiss population to stop being so naive about this party, it really is.


No, there is no reason why the other parties should bother about the SVP program. To bother about that program would be "following the SVP agenda". For no reason at all.

As Mr Wermuth of the "young SP" says, they have to provide the alternative. And as I said, the FDP has NOT to look at the SVP program, but quite rightly shifted the emphasis from boring Mr Pelli to Messrs Burkhalter and Schneider-Ammann. The weakness of the CVP is that this party has not much more than the charm of Mr Leuthard to offer.

Now, the "Abzocker-Initiative" is setting the pace, and not the SVP party program. In short, the SVP is NOT deciding the agenda, not at all.

spiderdaddy 31.12.2010 01:27

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Originally Posted by Wollishofener (Post 1056499)
No, there is no reason why the other parties should bother about the SVP program. To bother about that program would be "following the SVP agenda". For no reason at all.

As Mr Wermuth of the "young SP" says, they have to provide the alternative. And as I said, the FDP has NOT to look at the SVP program, but quite rightly shifted the emphasis from boring Mr Pelli to Messrs Burkhalter and Schneider-Ammann. The weakness of the CVP is that this party has not much more than the charm of Mr Leuthard to offer.

Actually, you said the same as I did in different words.

Mr. Leuthard ?

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Originally Posted by Wollishofener (Post 1056499)
Now, the "Abzocker-Initiative" is setting the pace, and not the SVP party program. In short, the SVP is NOT deciding the agenda, not at all.

A piece of legislation about some top managers in blue chip companies is hardly a broad agenda looking at the issues which affect the average Swiss is it?

Wollishofener 31.12.2010 16:25

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Originally Posted by spiderdaddy (Post 1056526)
Actually, you said the same as I did in different words.

Mr. Leuthard ?



A piece of legislation about some top managers in blue chip companies is hardly a broad agenda looking at the issues which affect the average Swiss is it?

A) Mrs L. indeed

B) I do not think that the SVP dictates the agenda. But a 25 to 30 % party of course has some influence onto the discussions.

C) I am clearly against other parties and other persons looking into programs of the SVP. The programs of the SVP are entirely their affair, other parties have to take due care of their own programs. I mean, if the smile of the Federal Traffic Minister is already the full electioneering program of the "Social Conservative Catholics" then this is a bit meagre :D

D) The Abzocker-Initiative is not an "agenda" of anybody but is of heavy interest for the average Swiss. The excesses in that regard have been a leading topic in all the media. The scandal that one of the two leading banks first only survived thanks to Federal aid, and that the second one only survived thanks to an investment from Kuwait BUT that both paid out heavy "boni" to its leading employees, that the salaries of the directors of major companies in Switzerland have quadrupled within a few years has been and in a way still is a major topic. Interesting is that the SVP now has joined the SP in support of this initiative, but herein it is the SP which "dictates the agenda". This matter is far far far more important than the fate of some criminals from former Yugoslavia. As it really matters for all people.

KeinFranzösisch 31.12.2010 16:34

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Originally Posted by cheesey (Post 1056459)
Evidently with my addiction to Google translate I wouldn't pass their test

Ich habe Bing Translator gern. Es ist ganz Toll!
(I like Bing Translator. It's very good!)

crazysniper 31.12.2010 18:45

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Originally Posted by HollidayG (Post 1048836)
I think that foreigners should be required to learn the language. It is not a bad idea.

I completely agree. I think this is also for your own benefit as a foreigner in this country.

native 31.12.2010 21:41

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Originally Posted by crazysniper (Post 1056826)
I completely agree. I think this is also for your own benefit as a foreigner in this country.

Why do we have to force people to do what is for their own benefit?

Bozza 31.12.2010 22:32

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 1049126)
As long as I'm law abiding, pay my taxes and have a job the Swiss shouldn't care what language I speak.

Sure I can order food in French, ask someone where the train station is or ask how someone is. But I will be damned if I will be made to take a written test to live in this country.

I have far more important things to be getting on with than taking a French test to prove my worth to Switzerland.

I may be joining the party rather late. I am very much in the "One should learn the native language if living in the country for a while (1+ years?)" camp myself, but I sympathise with the above view.

At the end of the day, those who're in the country temporarily still pay the taxes. If these do not cover their contribution to the degradation in infrastructure/overpopulation etc, then they need to be raise. Cutting them off due to language in a country with a mass expat community seems a few decades too late.

Bozza 31.12.2010 23:13

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1049865)

My better point really is that I dislike integration. There are really good reasons to have all sorts of immigrants beyond the economic considerations. Immigrants enrich all of our lives. Perhaps one day we'll be able to get a curry in Zurich that doesn't taste like a sausage roll, or a kebab that doesn't taste like a sausage roll or a....

Or just make everyone who lives here conform to an anachronistic stereotype of what it means to be "Swiss" lord help us.

I see your point, but you can get into the situation where first you get good Kebabs and then some areas are allowed to follow Sharia law.

Its difficult to effectively filter what innovation from immigration you want to keep and what to discard.

eddiejc1 01.01.2011 02:40

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For the sake of argument, let's leave my country out of the discussion for purposes of comparison. In France, children born of people born in France have the right to citizenship, and it's a lot easier for newcomers to learn the language and become naturalized French citizens. Are naturalized Frenchmen as "integrated" into French society as well as Switzerland demands that newcomers must be if they want to become Swiss citizens? Is France suffering because of this?

In other words, might Switzerland's real problem really be not that there are too many foreigners living there but that it is more difficult than it has to be for foreigners to become Swiss?

marton 01.01.2011 11:44

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Originally Posted by HollidayG (Post 1048836)
I think that foreigners should be required to learn the language. It is not a bad idea.

Comical situation though; if it is a requirement to learn the language then to prove you learnt the language you should take a test & get a certificate.
But if you live in the German part then the only recognised tests are for Hoch Deutsch whereas all the Swiss speak Swiss German.
So foreigners finish up learning another foreign language.

Wollishofener 01.01.2011 13:19

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 1056989)
Comical situation though; if it is a requirement to learn the language then to prove you learnt the language you should take a test & get a certificate.
But if you live in the German part then the only recognised tests are for Hoch Deutsch whereas all the Swiss speak Swiss German.
So foreigners finish up learning another foreign language.

All the German-speaking Swiss write High-German, and so do the Vorarlberger, the Bavarians and the Baden-Württemberger. More complex is the situation in the Elsass/Alsace where people write French and in "official functions" also speak French but in more private functions speak Elsässisch-Deutsch, while generally being able to write and speak High-German. There are not various German languages, but a rich variety of German dialects. The situation can be compared to the Arab World where they all write High-Arabic and are supposed to speak the same language, which is not exactly the case. Back to Switzerland, you are expected to realize that Chüngel, Kaninchen and Kaninschen are the same animals ;)

So, a foreigner who learns High-German plus the Swiss dialects of Schaffhausen, Uri, Bern and Wallis does NOT learn five languages but only ONE language :D and while most share the expression for "there is a draught in here" with High German es zieht (pronounced in CH "äs zi'ät") , in Schaffhausen it is es luftet (pronounced "äs luftet").

nickatbasel 01.01.2011 20:16

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Originally Posted by Wollishofener (Post 1056338)
The Swiss-German dialects are dialectS and not a language or languages :)

According to this Wiki page:

Wikipedia reference-linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect

Language varieties are referred to as dialects:
  • because they have no standard or codified form,
  • because the speakers of the given language do not have a state of their own,
  • because they are rarely or never used in writing (outside reported speech)
  • or because they lack prestige with respect to some other, often standardised, variety.
I have to say I like the last of those the best when discussing Swiss German. :)

Cheers,
Nick

nickatbasel 01.01.2011 20:48

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Interestingly, this article in Blick indicates that top-brass of large companies like ABB, Novartis etc are not happy about such a proposal.

It's one thing to encourage foreigners to learn the local lingo - but the idea of legal compulsion with penalties if you fail to pass some exam I find troubling.

Moving to a new country is stressful enough without such obstacles being put in ones way.

As others have pointed out, this is more about the SVP stirring the porridge . I just wonder what Blocher's real agenda is (other than getting back into the Bundesrat). What does he have to hide?

Cheers,
Nick

Wollishofener 02.01.2011 00:23

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Originally Posted by nickatbasel (Post 1057251)
Interestingly, this article in Blick indicates that top-brass of large companies like ABB, Novartis etc are not happy about such a proposal.

It's one thing to encourage foreigners to learn the local lingo - but the idea of legal compulsion with penalties if you fail to pass some exam I find troubling.

Moving to a new country is stressful enough without such obstacles being put in ones way.

As others have pointed out, this is more about the SVP stirring the porridge . I just wonder what Blocher's real agenda is (other than getting back into the Bundesrat). What does he have to hide?

Cheers,
Nick

He has one major objective and that is his party to land up at around 30% in autumn 11 and to see the party of Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf to stay below 10% or even below 5%. He in such a case can if he really wants, go ahead with a return into the Bundesrat to succeed his arch-enemy. Not least as none of the other parties got really happy with the lady.

parnell 02.01.2011 01:15

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Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 1048875)
This one could solve a number of problems, according to Blocher: 'We would have fewer school problems, fewer criminals, fewer sans-paiers, less integration problems and the social system would be under less stress. "

And fewer highly skilled immigrants keeping the economy running. :msnsarcastic:

Yeah because all the immigrants got here the economy was complete shit... uh... wait...

02.01.2011 05:27

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This is going to be marvelous for all those in the French speaking former colonies- it will inject much needed fresh blood, flushing the Swiss system.
Think of all the wonderful mixtures of nationalities that will be encouraged to apply' for example Moroccan, Caribbean, Algerian etc.

I am also sure that for many in South America it will be easy to get to grips with basic Italian, so perhaps Switzerland can expect Mexican, Colombians etc. applying. I have heard that German is easy to learn for those who speak Afrikaans.

It's a Blocher brainwave! Language is a great leveler- does the test also apply to refugees?

I mean- look, listening to the clip below, I really don't see a problem do you?


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Damit könne man eine ganze Reihe von Problemen lösen, so Blocher: «Wir hätten weniger Schulprobleme, weniger Kriminelle, weniger Papierlose, weniger Integrationsprobleme und das Sozialsystem würde weniger belastet.»
http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/sto...ehmen-27046196



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Miss Schweiz's hometown was the first to introduce the tests in 2004.

So here is a wonderful tale of assimilation success.

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The small town of Ostermundigen will later this week become the first in Switzerland to introduce written language tests for people applying for Swiss citizenship.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3407195.stm

In the Phillippines Miss Switzerland enjoys a chaotic Christmas on the streets whereas in Kanton Bern the Kuster family has fondue at the table.

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Auf den Philippinen hingegen geniesse sie "chaotische Weihnachten auf der Strasse", sagt die 23-Jährige gegenüber der "Berner Zeitung". Als Weihnachtsschmaus kommt in Kusters Familie in Ostermundigen Fondue Chinoise auf den Tisch.
Enjoy!

eddiejc1 02.01.2011 07:32

Re: Compulsory language test for intending immigrants is on the cards, says Blocher
 
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Originally Posted by Wollishofener (Post 1057019)
All the German-speaking Swiss write High-German, and so do the Vorarlberger, the Bavarians and the Baden-Württemberger. More complex is the situation in the Elsass/Alsace where people write French and in "official functions" also speak French but in more private functions speak Elsässisch-Deutsch, while generally being able to write and speak High-German. There are not various German languages, but a rich variety of German dialects. The situation can be compared to the Arab World where they all write High-Arabic and are supposed to speak the same language, which is not exactly the case. Back to Switzerland, you are expected to realize that Chüngel, Kaninchen and Kaninschen are the same animals ;)

So, a foreigner who learns High-German plus the Swiss dialects of Schaffhausen, Uri, Bern and Wallis does NOT learn five languages but only ONE language :D and while most share the expression for "there is a draught in here" with High German es zieht (pronounced in CH "äs zi'ät") , in Schaffhausen it is es luftet (pronounced "äs luftet").

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Originally Posted by nickatbasel (Post 1057251)

It's one thing to encourage foreigners to learn the local lingo - but the idea of legal compulsion with penalties if you fail to pass some exam I find troubling.

If the exam is WRITTEN, could newcomers just focus their efforts on becoming literate in high German, even if they don't learn much of the spoken language, just to pass the test?


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