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Old 15.10.2007, 10:59
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I think we should change the 74% to 50%: one post on this forum had a chart showing party preferences of people across professions. I noticed that SVP and SD had a total of at least 50% in all categories. The SD is just as aggressive as the SVP when it comes to foreigners. SD I assume are the Schweizer Demokraten. Let me know if I've got this wrong.
I'm afraid you have got things wrong. I don't know who you mean by SD, but the SP (Social-democratic Party) are the 2nd largest party and are totally opposed to the SVP's anti foreigner campaign. This link shows the estimated strengths of the parties:

http://sf.epb.prokons.com/?markt=CH-2007-NR

No two parties add up to a majority.
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Old 15.10.2007, 11:38
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

The SD (Swiss Democrats) are an anti-immigration party. The SVP's rise partly happened at their cost. On the national level, they currently hold one seat in the big chamber of parliament (out of 200 seats) and none in the small (of 52). Their nation-wide voter support is about 1%.
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

So where does it suggest that SVP + SD have 50% of the vote ?
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Old 15.10.2007, 12:56
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

Nobody did, harshapaulraj just confused the Swiss Democrats and the Social Democrats.
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

Interesting to note that one of the UK's most right wing newpapers is hardly sympathetic towards the current extremes of Swiss politics..

=Swiss election sparks riots and racism=


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../wswiss113.xml
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

BBC world today announced that CH is at the bottom end of the pile along with Latvia etc. when it comes to integration of foreigners
http://www.integrationindex.eu/integ...ndex/2616.html
Switzerland lacks a dedicated anti-discrimination law. The definitions of anti-discrimination cover religion/belief and race/ethnicity but not nationality. Only a limited number of actors can be punished for discriminating, leaving many outside the law. Moreover, anti-discrimination laws do not apply in any of the fields of life measured by MIPEX, a critical weakness for Switzerland. Enforcement mechanisms score exactly halfway to best practice. They have access to various procedures and a wide range of possible penalties for guilty parties. Yet it is evident that complainants who bring forward a case are not protected from victimisation in the many fields of life. They also do not benefit from legal aid or shifts in the burden of proof. Equality policies keep the specialised equality agency out of the courtroom by limiting its powers to advising victims or investigating their cases.
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

The BBC is still on the case....

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Old 15.10.2007, 18:20
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

The state prosecutors in Kt. Zürich have dropped the legal action against the black sheep posters on the grounds that they are not racially discriminating, simply anti-foreigner.

http://tages-anzeiger.ch/dyn/news/schweiz/802759.html

So it's legal to hate foreigners, as long as you hate them all, equally .
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“I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally.” - WC Fields

Frank Zappa is also credited with the same quote.

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The state prosecutors in Kt. Zürich have dropped the legal action against the black sheep posters on the grounds that they are not racially discriminating, simply anti-foreigner.

http://tages-anzeiger.ch/dyn/news/schweiz/802759.html

So it's legal to hate foreigners, as long as you hate them all, equally .
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

From todays Swissinfo, this.
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Interesting to note that one of the UK's most right wing newpapers is hardly sympathetic towards the current extremes of Swiss politics..
Nope, the Daily Telegraph is no way "one of the UK's most right wing newspapers". Try the Dailyl Mail or Express if that is what you want. Both of those make me want to puke.

Is anyone else here getting sick of the Swiss bashing?

Personally speaking, I found that by coming here I could escape from the preconceptions, prejudices and generally parochial attitudes I found in the UK.
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Old 15.10.2007, 23:26
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Nope, the Daily Telegraph is no way "one of the UK's most right wing newspapers". Try the Daily Mail or Express if that is what you want. Both of those make me want to puke.
If the Telegraph, traditionally known as the house newspaper of the Conservative party, is not considered to be right wing then I don't know what is. My point was that the right wing in Britain has little sympathy with the extreme politics (right & left wing) that we are witnessing here.

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I'm also sad about the mauling that Switzerland is getting in the foreign press. It's just the extreme factions, both right and left which are hitting the headlines. It does tend to dent the image of Switzerland and the party that is the primary cause of all this doesn't seem to care about that.....

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At the news conference, Ueli Maurer, president of the People's Party, refused to answer questions posed by a foreign journalist.

"I don't give interviews to foreign journalists; I want to win the elections in Switzerland," he said.
Incidentally here's the latest from the BBC, who try to be neutral...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3206778.stm


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I'm sure you must know that there are few places on this earth where you can escape from such attitudes, and Switzerland isn't one of them.

Unfortunately, the xenophobia will not stop after the election, because this "Security Creation Initiative" will then be submitted for a referendum.
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Old 15.10.2007, 23:46
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If the Telegraph, traditionally known as the house newspaper of the Conservative party, is not considered to be right wing then I don't know what is. My point was that the right wing in Britain has little sympathy with the extreme politics (right & left wing) that we are witnessing here.
Not for a while. They used to be the Daily Torygraph, but here's a quote from the latest issue of Private Eye:

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Gordon Brown's courtship of Daily Telegraph editor Will Lewis has been relentless - and seems to have worked. Brown, no doubt posing as the "force for change", encouraged his new best friend Will to jettison the Torygraph's team of lobby hacks. "I don't trust any of them, they're either Tories or Blairites," he explained.
It is no doubt mere coincidence that in the past few weeks there has been a complete clearout of the Telegraph political stable, with veteran political editor George Jones leaving the paper, his deputy Toby Helm (brother-in-law of Blair aide Jonathon Powell) being found another job, number three reporter Graeme Wilson fleeing to the Sun and Brendan Carlin finding political asylum at the Mail on Sunday.
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

Well I never ! So Gordon Brown's recent courtships include the Daily Telegraph and Margaret Thatcher. Does this turn Cameron red ?
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I know - you can't trust anyone any more...
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If the Telegraph, traditionally known as the house newspaper of the Conservative party, is not considered to be right wing then I don't know what is. My point was that the right wing in Britain has little sympathy with the extreme politics (right & left wing) that we are witnessing here.
But you used the phrase "most right wng".

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Incidentally here's the latest from the BBC, who try to be neutral...
The BBC can try to be as neutral as they will have their audience believe, but they have consistently failed to be so since the mid 1990s when they had a clear out of some of their best political correspondents.

The one thing that seemed totally out of kilter with the normal standard of Telegraph articles was the gratuitous mention of rubber bullets, implying that they had been used the other weekend. Biased reporting or what?, and my BS filter kicked in big time.

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Not for a while. They used to be the Daily Torygraph, but here's a quote from the latest issue of Private Eye:
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Gordon Brown's courtship of Daily Telegraph editor Will Lewis has been relentless - and seems to have worked. Brown, no doubt posing as the "force for change", encouraged his new best friend Will to jettison the Torygraph's team of lobby hacks. "I don't trust any of them, they're either Tories or Blairites," he explained.
It is no doubt mere coincidence that in the past few weeks there has been a complete clearout of the Telegraph political stable, with veteran political editor George Jones leaving the paper, his deputy Toby Helm (brother-in-law of Blair aide Jonathon Powell) being found another job, number three reporter Graeme Wilson fleeing to the Sun and Brendan Carlin finding political asylum at the Mail on Sunday.
Much appreciated thanks. Gordon Brown has for a long time hated Switzerland's stance on banking confidentiality because they won't let him poke into the details of accounts held here, so the current attack by the DT makes sense now.

Let us not forget that a very large chunk of the UK media (Sky, Sun, Times to quote just 3) is owned by the Murdoch empire.

That'll be the end of free speech in the UK press then?
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I think we should change the 74% to 50%: one post on this forum had a chart showing party preferences of people across professions. I noticed that SVP and SD had a total of at least 50% in all categories. The SD is just as aggressive as the SVP when it comes to foreigners. SD I assume are the Schweizer Demokraten. Let me know if I've got this wrong.
As already mentioned, you are mixing up the SP with the SD. the SP are the social democrats who are the second largest party atm. The SD has pretty much vanished from the national scene since the SVP started to integrate their ideology into theirs....

Anyway, it really saddens me that all this election campaign boils down to is pro-/contra Blocher and the immigration issue. As if we didn't have other problems.
Sadly it seems that the parties that are acutally focusing on issues seem to lose more and more votes in the polls
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Old 16.10.2007, 16:07
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Anyway, it really saddens me that all this election campaign boils down to is pro-/contra Blocher and the immigration issue. As if we didn't have other problems.
Sadly it seems that the parties that are acutally focusing on issues seem to lose more and more votes in the polls
It is understandable in an expat forum but I agree, Switzerland should move on.

Here's a leading article that doesn't see that dark for the middle parties, to cheer you up. (You've cast your vote, have you? )
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It is understandable in an expat forum but I agree, Switzerland should move on.
it is undestandable here, yes. But I wasn't really referring to the forum, but to the campaign everywhere, including the local media. All that seems to be debated its black sheep and Blocher....

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yeah, there's always hope and no, I haven't voted yet, but will
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