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Old 25.10.2007, 19:17
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Who is the black MP, canton/party?
Found him: Ricardo Lumengo, SPS, Bern. Excellent that someone can get elected to parliament regardless of their race.

You can read all about him (in German) here.

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This link works...

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/...iss_watch.html

Islamophobia ... that's a new word for me.
The replies to that article are more interesting than the actual article. PC apologist on one side and SVP type idiots on the other side. Both are as bad as each other.

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Old 27.10.2007, 02:25
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

I'm just wondering if the result of this initiative could be that foreigners would get shorter prison sentences, or paroled earlier, as compensation for the fact that they will be thrown out afterwards. This would reduce the costs and the load on the prison service. Even if such a policy were not officially sanctioned, probably justice minister Blocher could ensure that it was practiced.
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Old 27.10.2007, 08:36
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I'm just wondering if the result of this initiative could be that foreigners would get shorter prison sentences, or paroled earlier, as compensation for the fact that they will be thrown out afterwards. This would reduce the costs and the load on the prison service. Even if such a policy were not officially sanctioned, probably justice minister Blocher could ensure that it was practiced.
You greatly overestimate the power of a member of the federal council. Even if the election campaign made you believe differently, Mr. Blocher is nothing more than one of the seven members of the federal council, whose powers are rather limited compared to governments in other countries. He's not in a position to ensure that the courts follow a policy, unless the law stipulates said policy.
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Old 27.10.2007, 15:34
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You greatly overestimate the power of a member of the federal council. Even if the election campaign made you believe differently, Mr. Blocher is nothing more than one of the seven members of the federal council, whose powers are rather limited compared to governments in other countries. He's not in a position to ensure that the courts follow a policy, unless the law stipulates said policy.
The SVP have been seen to ignore the concordance spirit and have been demanding their chosen judges to tow the party line. This is the kind of influence that Blocher and his party can bring to bear on judges who, hopefully, can exercise their profession with integrity and without fear of not being elected.
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Re: Security Creation Initiative

This recent political campaign reminds me of George Orwell's book Animal Farm...four legs good, two legs bad.

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Its an SVP initiative, saw this in Der Bund this morning. Basically its all to do with kicking out the "black sheep" ; i.e. social undesirables & foreigners that get convicted of felonies ... however am sure there is a subtext to the picture ... pathetic really
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Old 01.11.2007, 17:18
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

There's a nice article at FT about Swiss politics, though maybe it's not very interesting for some because it mentions things you probably know :P

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/66bf2872-8...0779fd2ac.html
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Old 01.11.2007, 17:43
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

interestingly enough, our neighbour has recently been kicked off the local list for the Schweizer Demokrats. (he is a wanker in real life)

although not as hard core as our friends following Blocher, its interesting to read their manifesto all the same -

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Die grosse Zahl nicht assimilierbarer Asylanten aus exotischen Ländern verändert unseren Volkscharakter. Die Schweiz muss für Illegale und dreiste Einschleicher unattraktiv werden. Wir fordern einen besseren Schutz der Schweizergrenze und eine Justiz, die härter und konsequenter gegen Asylmissbräuche vorgeht. Zudem verlangen wir Asyl auf Zeit. Wer nicht mehr verfolgt und bedroht ist, muss unser Land wieder verlassen. Eingebürgert darf nur werden, wer sich unseren Sitten und Gebräuchen anpasst.
the other drivel is similarly amusing ......
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Old 01.11.2007, 17:55
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interestingly enough, our neighbour has recently been kicked off the local list for the Schweizer Demokrats. (he is a wanker in real life)

although not as hard core as our friends following Blocher, its interesting to read their manifesto all the same -
eh, come again? the SD are, if anything, more hardcore than the SVP. An Expample is their scary popular initiative to limit the foreign population in Switzerland to 18% back in the 90s....
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Old 01.11.2007, 18:11
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eh, come again? the SD are, if anything, more hardcore than the SVP. An Expample is their scary popular initiative to limit the foreign population in Switzerland to 18% back in the 90s....
now that I wasn't aware of ...

just goes to show the poor knowledge I have gained, even with this ever present thread .... that coupled with my ability to read German .. my bad
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Old 01.11.2007, 18:14
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eh, come again? the SD are, if anything, more hardcore than the SVP. An Expample is their scary popular initiative to limit the foreign population in Switzerland to 18% back in the 90s....
This is imho correct. One of the side benefits of the rise of the SVP is that the ultra scary SD and FPS have been largely eliminated from the political scene, certainly at national level.
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Old 01.11.2007, 18:19
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interestingly enough, our neighbour has recently been kicked off the local list for the Schweizer Demokrats. (he is a wanker in real life)

although not as hard core as our friends following Blocher, its interesting to read their manifesto all the same - the other drivel is similarly amusing ......
Polorise - See this article: Far-right crushed by success of People's Party.
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

It is not my intention to start up this discussion again but this poster I got via e-mail this morning is too hilarious to pass up .
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Old 14.11.2007, 14:55
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

Hilarious? Must be another leftist talking. Stupid imitation is not hilarious. They must still be hurting for not themselves coming up with such a provocative and stimulating idea and original poster. uahh, uahh, uahh, uahhhhhh.
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Comments coming from someone all the way across the other side of the world . I wonder what the pinos and pinas think ??? Anyway , return to your own country and do something about it ... Instead of sitting in someone else's and doing exactly what you accuse others of doing in yours .

Anyway , I thought ( and still think ) it is extremely funny ....kudos to the creator .
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

1. I have never accused anyone of anything but applauded those who try to clean up the mess. 2. I can care for my country from near or far, and even from far have the same vote as everybody else, namely one, which I'm using. 3. From afar I can see certain problems even clearer than from near (looking at the whole forest, while people inside tend to look at individual trees). 4. The particular problem discussed here is one of globalization, i.e. a few money/media tyrants vs. the rest of mankind, which they rule via the old "divide et impera". Switzerland's alien problem is a mere sub-chapter, although its foreigner pecentage is extra-ordinary. The few foreigners in the Philippines are minor and perfectly ok, nothing to worry about. After all, we don't want to be isolationists or jingoists, we just look for healthy balance.

Those tyrants have started all wars, as they have illegally started the latest Iraq war, and they continue to concentrate their power via globalization, into which Switzerland is very much integrated. One example is the huge loss at which the SNB has stupidly been throwing their gold away, at the behest of the globalists.
The correction of this unnatural and unhealthy globalization problem is what it is all about. Those who either ignorantly or purposely aid and abet the globalists should be exposed, instead of allowing them to pose as "progressives".
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Old 18.11.2007, 17:07
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

Hm, I'd pretty much sworn off this thread about 15 pages ago, but are you really trying to argue here that globalisation is a bad thing..?

If so I'd be pretty interested to find out what you're going to back that one up with.
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Hm, I'd pretty much sworn off this thread about 15 pages ago, but are you really trying to argue here that globalisation is a bad thing..?

If so I'd be pretty interested to find out what you're going to back that one up with.

Globalization per se is not desirable, it's unnatural. Every corner of the world has it own unique pecularities, different from all others. We don't need globalization to trade or have good relations with other countries. The particular kind of drive towards globalization the world has been suffering for the last several decades is not only a bad thing, it is outright evil. Because....
It puts the world in the talons of those few world criminals who have been pushing it, namely the worldwide banking/media cartel and its many subsidiaries. They rule through divide and conquer. Today they appear as neo-cons, but they have appeared in any shape, politically left or right, as serves them best.
They and their predecessors have started every major war in the 20th century, incl. the latest and most obviously illegal Iraq war.
The alleged purpose of their globalization is to improve the world by facilitating trade, but that's a filthy lie. The real purpose is to put the world into the hands of those few who want to openly rule like the absolute monarchs of not too long ago, and we are well advanced on that wrong path.
Look what they have done to Russia since 1917. Communism's alleged purpose was to improve the lives of the workers. Ask the Soviet people about all the miseries they have suffered during the entire unlamented rule of their communist "benefactors".
Look at what they have done to America politically. It is probably the most universally hated nation today. Financially, the dollar is going down the tube together with their economy, and that will drag the entire world down, starting in 2008.
The plan is to prolong the resulting economic misery (by withholding the money needed for economic functioning, as they have done in America during the 1930's until World War II. They couldn't have recruited all those soldiers in a flourishing economy!!) until the world suffers so much that it will accept the imposition of a one world fiat currency controlled by the same criminals who control and mismanage all important currencies today.
By the way, the future world supreme court is located in Jerusalem. The building exists already. It was sponsored and financed by a certain Rothschild. (Do some research at www.http:///www.henrymakow.com and similar sites).
There are millions of things wrong with globalization. Here are just a few major points.
Research what purely private interests control the so called American Federal Reserve, which is not federal nor a reserve, and then you are on the trail of those SOB parasites who cause all the evil today.
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

Hi!

I am new in Switzerland (arrived in Feb), and I don't speak German, but I got really curious about this when I saw a poster close to home. In my poor understanding it's SVP striking against foreigners again, it's in here: http://www.einbuergerungen.ch/

Any comments? Can you help me to understand the context?

thanks!
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Re: Security Creation Initiative [aka SVP black sheep posters]

This poster is from a controversial ad campaign SVP had used successfully in the past. This initiative which is to be voted upon at the national level on June 1, 2008 claims the following:

"Swiss citizens should have the final say on who gets naturalized by means of a vote at the communal level".

The government (House of Representatives and the Senate) are basically against this initiative, because it denies the unsuccessful candidate the right of appeal.


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Hi!

I am new in Switzerland (arrived in Feb), and I don't speak German, but I got really curious about this when I saw a poster close to home. In my poor understanding it's SVP striking against foreigners again, it's in here: http://www.einbuergerungen.ch/

Any comments? Can you help me to understand the context?

thanks!
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