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Old 02.08.2007, 11:05
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Re: Security Creation Initiative

Just an FYI for those not in the knowing...

One can support such causes/ initiatives and sign the paper although you may not have the right to vote.

/totally support this cause and signed
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Old 02.08.2007, 12:09
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Just an FYI for those not in the knowing...

One can support such causes/ initiatives and sign the paper although you may not have the right to vote.
I'm sorry, but that's totally wrong. It's illegal to sign a referendum or an initiative if you're not allowed to vote. At least in theory it's punishable with up to three years in prison or a fine (Art. 282 StGB). In practice the municipality will probably just cancel the signature and be done with it, but it's still not a good idea to sign if you're not allowed to vote.

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On another note, have you guys noticed that the black sheep infamous picture has now been altered?

On the 20 minutes paper that they distribute on the train this morning I saw that it had been changed to show one of the white sheep with a knife (complete with blood squirting out) on it's side.

Not sure that improves the picture.

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wtf ? ... was that something to go along with turning every conurbation into Beirut for a day ?
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Old 03.08.2007, 11:40
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Re: Security Creation Initiative

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Re: Security Creation Initiative

For those who got the unsolicited "complete this on 1st August" SVP thing, do consider returning it to use up the SVP funds on postage. If you were to put some fake names and addresses within that SVP feedback request, wouldn't that be a pain for them?
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For those who got the unsolicited "complete this on 1st August" SVP thing, do consider returning it to use up the SVP funds on postage. If you were to put some fake names and addresses within that SVP feedback request, wouldn't that be a pain for them?

Clever idea, however combatting "evil" with more "evil" doesn't sound like a good thing to me.

Darn that stupid Christian upbringing!
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Old 03.08.2007, 12:03
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For those who got the unsolicited "complete this on 1st August" SVP thing, do consider returning it to use up the SVP funds on postage. If you were to put some fake names and addresses within that SVP feedback request, wouldn't that be a pain for them?
Yes, it would be pain for them but is this a path you really want to go down. If everybody who was against any initiative started to do this think where it would lead. If you you donít like the proposition then just vote against it.


Itís obvious that some people find the black sheet idea offensive as they relate it to race. Has anyone have any suggestions for an alternative illustration ?
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Yes, it would be pain for them but is this a path you really want to go down. If everybody who was against any initiative started to do this think where it would lead. If you you donít like the proposition then just vote against it.


Itís obvious that some people find the black sheet idea offensive as they relate it to race. Has anyone have any suggestions for an alternative illustration ?
BB, that's all good but the foreigners can't vote. I can't vote.

What would be non-offensive as an illustation? I can't think of anything as the whole idea is retarded.

Thankfully the straw poll I just did in the office shows many voters agree.
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Old 03.08.2007, 12:08
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If you you don’t like the proposition then just vote against it.
the whole point being that as "Auslanders" we have no right to vote against this (well most of us don't) .... can you suggest another way to voice/vent frustration at these sorts of tactics ?

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BB, that's all good but the foreigners can't vote. I can't vote.

What would be non-offensive as an illustation? I can't think of anything as the whole idea is retarded.

Thankfully the straw poll I just did in the office shows many voters agree.
If you canít vote as a foreign resident then express your opinion by all means and if you think that foreign murders, rapists, paedophiles, drug traffickers, people traffickers etc should be entitled to retain their permits after theyíve committed their crimes here then thatís your choice, but to suggest sabotaging the process does not seem like a good idea.
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Old 03.08.2007, 12:27
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If you canít vote as a foreign resident then express your opinion by all means and if you think that foreign murders, rapists, paedophiles, drug traffickers, people traffickers etc should be entitled to retain their permits after theyíve committed their crimes here then thatís your choice, but to suggest sabotaging the process does not seem like a good idea.
I don't think anyone is talking about sabotaging due process .... more that it is very difficult as a non-voter to have any chance of voicing dissent with this sort of tripe ....
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Old 03.08.2007, 12:30
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If you canít vote as a foreign resident then express your opinion by all means and if you think that foreign murders, rapists, paedophiles, drug traffickers, people traffickers etc should be entitled to retain their permits after theyíve committed their crimes here then thatís your choice, but to suggest sabotaging the process does not seem like a good idea.
I believe that this stands for more than just those extreme crimes. It's an erosion of civil rights for all foreigners living here and xenophobic and racist in its concept.

Have a look at the topics being "covered" in the SVP forum: http://f3.webmart.de/f.cfm?id=2999309
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Old 03.08.2007, 12:34
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Re: Security Creation Initiative

I wouldn't for a moment consider sending concrete paving slabs, old phone books, lead fishing wieght, etc, using a freepost address just to cost an organisation money.
Not at all.
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I wouldn't for a moment consider sending concrete paving slabs, old phone books, lead fishing wieght, etc, using a freepost address just to cost an organisation money.
Not at all.
no, never!

Just do as the JUSO (Young SP) recommend and send the empty forms back to the SVP...my mum did it this morning, she was laughing all the way to the post office...
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no, never!

Just do as the JUSO (Young SP) recommend and send the empty forms back to the SVP...my mum did it this morning, she was laughing all the way to the post office...
seems I am not alone
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I don't think anyone is talking about sabotaging due process .... more that it is very difficult as a non-voter to have any chance of voicing dissent with this sort of tripe ....
I fully understand your position as it can be frustrating if you have strong views and no vote but thatís how it works. All you can do is to try and convince as many voters as possible to vote no. I donít see any other alternative.
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Click the pic (20 Minuten, German)


No EF member was involved in the making of this "adjustment"...
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This article clearly states that it is actual convictions.
Some might be tempted to say, it just goes to show how much harder working foreigners are.
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Re: Security Creation Initiative

Seems the knuckle draggers at the SVP are getting a little smarter. Flying into Kloten yesterday evening, I saw something quite surprising. Taking a leaf out of Syngenta's book, they have a planting on the approach top the runway :

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Has anyone else noticed this.
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I believe that this stands for more than just those extreme crimes. It's an erosion of civil rights for all foreigners living here and xenophobic and racist in its concept.

Have a look at the topics being "covered" in the SVP forum: http://f3.webmart.de/f.cfm?id=2999309
Most countries have such rules, and I think it is quite natural to deport someone who has proved that he (yes, sexist!) cannot obey by the rules.

What I am against is to make it mandatory - as real life is much more complicated that the theroretical arguments, I think it should be a court deciding case by case.

In Denmark, there is afair a practice of deporting depending on residence status and gravity of the crime - it takes more for a permanent resident to get deported than for a tourist.

Having said that, it is easier to become naturalised than here.

And if people have been granted asylum you can't deport them - that would make the concept meaningless.

Difficult subject...

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