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Wolli, stop being a pedantic Swissie, and look for the the joke.

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Must say it was quite good .. for a Brit.
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Isch halt e chlini Wörterspiili xi

Can you spot the deliberate mistake with this pro referendum iconic picture?

It's either just a fur wound (too much blood on point of forward entry) or Teddy's eyes would be closed if he'd been sent to the picnic in the sky.
Tomato juice has such an effect And the eyes ? The eyes of victims of murders usually are wide open after the deed, and only get closed later.
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The eyes of victims of murders usually are wide open after the deed, and only get closed later.
The voice of experience, one presumes?
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häääh ?

I mean, this topic already was covered by Arthur Conan Doyle
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Can you spot the deliberate mistake with this pro referendum iconic picture?

It's either just a fur wound (too much blood on point of forward entry) or Teddy's eyes would be closed if he'd been sent to the picnic in the sky.
It's just a fur wound and Teddy will be fine.
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I read the local papers and follow the discussions, and most of my friends are Swiss. The original initiative is about protecting innocent victims of domestic murder suicides; it's considered harder to take out the wife and kids without a gun. Many women's organizations firmly support it. It seems that many women "fear" their husband's access to his military issue weapon. Some politicians said "women who are afraid of their husbands can easily go and tell the police". A man who has clearly not understood this type of fear.

Statistics; I'm still searching. I believe the number of murder-suicide deaths in Switzerland is one of the highest per capita - even higher than the US which is quite alarming - and this together with several high profile cases is what triggered the referendum.

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The Swiss military assault rifle is, I am told by someone trained in using it (ie any Swiss man) automatic and although not technically a machine gun, you can pull the trigger 24 times in a row without reloading it ...

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Which is indeed why it is not a good ideal to live one next to a public car-park, with magazine engaged. Thinking back, I should have insisted in speaking to the most Senior officer or called the police.
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The Swiss military assault rifle is, I am told by someone trained in using it (ie any Swiss man) automatic and although not technically a machine gun, you can pull the trigger 24 times in a row without reloading it ...

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Yep - this is called "semi-automatic". If you think of Clint Eastwood's revolver in Dirty Harry - a semi-automatic rifle is just like that, except obviously a rifle.

"Automatic" would be like a machine gun, where it either fires multiple-shot 'bursts' (usually 3 rounds per trigger pull) or else keeps firing as long as you hold the trigger.
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Yep - this is called "semi-automatic". If you think of Clint Eastwood's revolver in Dirty Harry - a semi-automatic rifle is just like that, except obviously a rifle.

"Automatic" would be like a machine gun, where it either fires multiple-shot 'bursts' (usually 3 rounds per trigger pull) or else keeps firing as long as you hold the trigger.
So that was a semi-automatic I got to play with in America, then?

Can I play with a proper automatic next time? They sound like fun!
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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So that was a semi-automatic I got to play with in America, then?

Can I play with a proper automatic next time? They sound like fun!
tsk tsk - maybe never with that attitude, young man

(Seriously, a full-auto, in full-auto mode, isn't that much fun to shoot unless you are into tactical scenarios or sheer milk jug destruction. Cool to do once but I can take it or leave it after that. Single shot is where the zen's at.)
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Yep - this is called "semi-automatic". If you think of Clint Eastwood's revolver in Dirty Harry - a semi-automatic rifle is just like that, except obviously a rifle.

"Automatic" would be like a machine gun, where it either fires multiple-shot 'bursts' (usually 3 rounds per trigger pull) or else keeps firing as long as you hold the trigger.
I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. The military version of the SIG SG 550 (Stgw. 90) is indeed fully automatic. Once you get to keep it, it is modified to a semi-automatic.

The cilvil version is semi-automatic by default.
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I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. The military version of the SIG SG 550 (Stgw. 90) is indeed fully automatic. Once you get to keep it, it is modified to a semi-automatic.

The cilvil version is semi-automatic by default.
Oops, my bad - I didn't read carefully enough - just read "pull the trigger 24 times" and thought she meant the semi-auto version.
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Oops, my bad - I didn't read carefully enough - just read "pull the trigger 24 times" and thought she meant the semi-auto version.
Welcome to the Schwiizerische NRA Ost-Flügel right here on EF. Next weeks 9mm special episode showcases the Heckler & Koch MP5 against Israel's vintage Uzi. Which of these ubiquitous designs is still doing its job decades after release?

Suggest you red necks go start your own Arkansas inspired EF chapter.
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Welcome to the Schwiizerische NRA Ost-Flügel right here on EF. Next weeks 9mm special episode showcases the Heckler & Koch MP5 against Israel's vintage Uzi. Which of these ubiquitous designs is still doing its job decades after release?

Suggest you red necks go start your own Arkansas inspired EF chapter.
If you are referring to me: I deeply despise the NRA. IMHO every sensible hunter or sport shooter actively advocates gun control, as he or she, of all people, should know how dangerous a weapon is and thus should be kept away from people who are not very well trained and emotionally stable.

Their "an armed society is a polite society" is barbarian and completely misses the point. If politeness is more than just empty form, then it stems from respect for the other person and not from the fear that that person might blow your brains out.

The fact that the Stgw. 90 in its military version is a fully automatic assault rifle is important to the discussion at hand though, as it has but one purpose, to quickly and effectively kill as many human beings as possible. Nothing else.

IMHO it is one thing to discuss whether you want to take away hunting rifles from well trained hunters (what the initiative does not) or you want to avoid that hundreds of thousands of military assault rifles are kept in peoples homes.
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The fact that the Stgw. 90 in its military version is a fully automatic assault rifle is important to the discussion at hand though, as it has but one purpose, to quickly and effectively kill as many human beings as possible. Nothing else.
What purpose does the 'civilian' version have?
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If you are referring to me: I deeply despise the NRA.
No, it wasn't you in the crosshairs, oops um, firing line, um, er, like whatever, totally, eh...?
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What purpose does the 'civilian' version have?
Public rifle range. Converting them back to allow automatic fire is apparently easy for anyone of mechanical skill (read 10 year old an up with Lego Technik experience). If this scares you, you know what you have to do February 13.
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What purpose does the 'civilian' version have?
The police for example uses the semi-automatic. Or security services guarding a cash transporter.

A civilian version is around 4000 CHFs new (vs. some hundreds for an old used military weapon), so not every nutter will run around with one - it is more of a professional tool.
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