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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Why does anyone need to keep a gun under their bed?

Switzerland is a safe place right ?

Look at the statistics for gun crime in the UK against the USA for example.

Hardly any gun crime in the UK apart from the few odd incidents now and then. Everyday someone gets killed or injured in the USA because guns are available and cheap.

Not saying that Switzerland will become like that but if you want to keep guns, keep them in an armoury with the ammo separate, then you can book them out when you like to do what you like to do under safe conditions !
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And in Israel, women have to do military service in full !
What? They even take their turn in the barrel?

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Everyday someone gets killed or injured in the USA because guns are available and cheap.
No, no... every day someone gets killed or injured in the USA because some people are criminals.

Meanwhile, I should imagine that every day several million people in the USA don't get killed or injured because those criminals know they've got guns under their beds.
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... and women who carry guns?
My mum was a crack shot but she didn't carry the thing around with her or even had it in the house despite attacks by marauding, raping mau-mau.

You never can tell who will 'go postal' so it's just better to keep guns off the streets and out of homes. If a criminal has a gun then the chances are that she/he will pull his before you can get to yours. If he/she doesn't have a gun then you don't need one either. If you have a gun they could disarm you and shoot you with it. you could get nervous and mis killing someone innocent.

It's all BS gun bravado- my gun is bigger than yours.....boys with toys.

But, yes, I can skin and gut a rabbit or fish, pluck a chicken etc. as long as the person who shot it promises to eat everything and not waste it.
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My mum was a crack shot but she didn't carry the thing around with her or even had it in the house despite attacks by marauding, raping mau-mau. You never can tell who will 'go postal' so it's just better to keep guns off the streets and out of homes.
I am a crack shot with a forces sniper marksmanship but I feel no urge to keep a weapon of my own !
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Old 17.01.2011, 21:29
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gun related deaths aren't necessarily preventable by removing guns. if someone is going to kill themselves using a gun, they can just as easily do it with a kitchen knife.

for a domestic dispute, it would be better that a gun is used rather than a kitchen knife as the report from the gun will notify neighbours/police and is likely to be less deadly than a knife.
I'm not sure if this post was a joke.... But if it wasn't I have a reply.

"gun related deaths aren't necessarily preventable by removing guns."

Of course they are. If you don't have a gun at your reach, how can you commit a gun crime?

"for a domestic dispute, it would be better that a gun is used rather than a kitchen knife as the report from the gun will notify neighbours/police and is likely to be less deadly than a knife."

How is a gun less deadly than a knife? Maybe having a gun there in the first place would give someone thoughts of murder. No, you can't take away a kitchen knife to protect peoples safety, but a kitchen knife is a wonderful tool you can use in the kitchen, its sole purpose is not to kill. What other use does a gun have?

The point is, a gun is made to KILL.
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My mum was a crack shot but she didn't carry the thing around with her or even had it in the house despite attacks by marauding, raping mau-mau. You never can tell who will 'go postal' so it's just better to keep guns off the streets and out of homes.
My mother in law used to sleep with a shot gun, but she was living in the Bahamas at the time (20 years).

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My mum was a crack shot but she didn't carry the thing around with her or even had it in the house despite attacks by marauding, raping mau-mau. You never can tell who will 'go postal' so it's just better to keep guns off the streets and out of homes.
And pepper spray?

After all, you never know when some man-hating harpie will go on the rampage and blind a few people just for the fun of it.

We should ban pepper spray, just to be on the safe side.

What? You mean thousands of people carry pepper spray and don't use it to hurt people? So what? It's not worth the risk!

Ban it! Ban it all!
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The point is, a gun is made to KILL.
It's a good job, really, else what use would it be against those who would break into your house, rape your children and steal your plasma screen telly?

How much more stating-of-the-blindingly-obvious can this thread take, I wonder?
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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And pepper spray?

After all, you never know when some man-hating harpie will go on the rampage and blind a few people just for the fun of it.

We should ban pepper spray, just to be on the safe side.

What? You mean thousands of people carry pepper spray and don't use it to hurt people? So what? It's not worth the risk!

Ban it! Ban it all!
Sorry, but I disagree.

Pepper spray can be used to spice up bland food (i.e. English, German, Dutch, Scandanavian).

So, it does have OTHER uses!

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I'm not sure if this post was a joke.... But if it wasn't I have a reply.

"gun related deaths aren't necessarily preventable by removing guns."

Of course they are. If you don't have a gun at your reach, how can you commit a gun crime?
Easy. Buy ANOTHER one, one that you ARE allowed to buy ammunition for!

Oh, and virtually NO gun crime is comitted with military weapons, in any case!

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Why does anyone need to keep a gun under their bed?
Nobody has the gun under the bed
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Old 17.01.2011, 21:59
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And pepper spray?

After all, you never know when some man-hating harpie will go on the rampage and blind a few people just for the fun of it.

We should ban pepper spray, just to be on the safe side.

What? You mean thousands of people carry pepper spray and don't use it to hurt people? So what? It's not worth the risk!

Ban it! Ban it all!
Laugh out loud, pfeffer spray doesn't kill people!

Robbers are welcome to come into my house, but I doubt that they will get through the security system and even if they do they will have been caught on the security cameras. The TV LCD's they are welcome to, we have rope ladders in the upstairs rooms, escape procedures etc.
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I'm not sure if this post was a joke.... But if it wasn't I have a reply.

"gun related deaths aren't necessarily preventable by removing guns."

Of course they are. If you don't have a gun at your reach, how can you commit a gun crime?

"for a domestic dispute, it would be better that a gun is used rather than a kitchen knife as the report from the gun will notify neighbours/police and is likely to be less deadly than a knife."

How is a gun less deadly than a knife? Maybe having a gun there in the first place would give someone thoughts of murder. No, you can't take away a kitchen knife to protect peoples safety, but a kitchen knife is a wonderful tool you can use in the kitchen, its sole purpose is not to kill. What other use does a gun have?

The point is, a gun is made to KILL.
a lot of your questions can be answered by reading what i wrote. but here goes:

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"gun related deaths aren't necessarily preventable by removing guns."

Of course they are. If you don't have a gun at your reach, how can you commit a gun crime?
notice how i said one thing and you said something completely different. hint: i highlighted the two points in bold and they are not the same thing. still don't get it. hint2: someone kills someone with a gun. gun is removed. the same person with a knife. the death has not been prevented. ergo, pointing to a figure with number of gun deaths and assuming those people would be alive if legal guns were banned is wrong.

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hint: read what i wrote. the report from a gun will alert neighbours/authorities and police ambulance will be on the scene to help the person shot. the shooter may also panic knowing that help will be on the way and run and so not cause further damage.

also, people are a lot less accurate with a gun than a knife so the chances of missing are a lot higher with a gun.
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It's a very easy equation Country where gun ownership is high ( legal or illegal)= high number of -related deaths Country where gun ownership is low (legal or illegal)= low number of gun related deaths. Compare number of gun related deaths, in the UK to the US. firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population in one year.

England/ Wales =0.46[3] 0.38, United States =10.2[4] 15.22[3] TA DA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

(Two orders of magnitude for every 100,000.)

I don't have the comparable figures on the number of pepper spray related deaths per 100,000 population in one year but I am relying on DB to entertain us with such.
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It's a very easy equation blah blah blah
So tell me, Hoppy. How many gun-related murders were committed last year by non-criminal owners of guns?

There are vast swathes of the American continent that are populated by quiet, law-abiding owners of guns who have never murdered anyone in their lives, and probably never will.

Just because the cities are populated by criminals who choose to use a perfectly legal weapon of self-defence to commit criminal acts of murder, why should good, honest, decent people in the countryside be forced to give up their constitutional rights?

Have a look at the list of gun-related murders by state, and tell me what you see. When I looked, I didn't see a very close correlation between God-fearing conservative countryfolk and gun crime. I did see some other interesting correlations, though.
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So tell me, Hoppy. How many gun-related murders were committed last year by non-criminal owners of guns?

There are vast swathes of the American continent that are populated by quiet, law-abiding owners of guns who have never murdered anyone in their lives, and probably never will.

Just because the cities are populated by criminals who choose to use a perfectly legal weapon of self-defence to commit criminal acts of murder, why should good, honest, decent people in the countryside be forced to give up their constitutional rights?

Have a look at the list of gun-related murders by state, and tell me what you see. When I looked, I didn't see a very close correlation between God-fearing conservative countryfolk and gun crime. I did see some other interesting correlations, though.
Well it's kind of a cops and robbers in reverse- funny to read. I honestly get on great with the police, nicest police I know. I have friends married to them and one whose uncle is the chief locally, so I don't know what all the fuss is about, but I guess that old habits die hard for some. then they spoil it for the rest. It seems as if drugs and guns go missing from the police lock-up occasionally, and the chief of police himself was actually a major drug runner, and the Mayor (the mayor's dad was a cop and apparently it was corrupt then) considered martial law, and then there was the vice and well....
Anyway around here the cops and robbers both wear bullet-proof vests and this is just a small country city not like Albany!



Why not have a little read?

http://www.ag.ny.gov/media_center/2008/dec/dec2a_08.html

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Corrup...r_to_0323.html

I ahve never met a bad cop locally- always felt protected, perhaps the good ones have to work very hard to make up for the bad ones.

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Tucson-A hero with the best intentions almost shot another hero. How would you or I have reacted if we had a gun ready to shoot. perhaps have shot the wrong man?

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The new poster boy for this agenda is Joe Zamudio, a hero in the Tucson incident. Zamudio was in a nearby drug store when the shooting began, and he was armed. He ran to the scene and helped subdue the killer. Television interviewers are celebrating his courage, and pro-gun blogs are touting his equipment. "Bystander Says Carrying Gun Prompted Him to Help," says the headline in the Wall Street Journal.

But before we embrace Zamudio's brave intervention as proof of the value of being armed, let's hear the whole story. "I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!'" But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter.


"Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out. Zamudio agreed: "I was very lucky. Honestly, it was a matter of seconds. Two, maybe three seconds between when I came through the doorway and when I was laying on top of [the real shooter], holding him down. So, I mean, in that short amount of time I made a lot of really big decisions really fast. I was really lucky." When Zamudio was asked what kind of weapons training he'd had, he answered: "My father raised me around guns so I'm really comfortable with them. But I've never been in the military or had any professional training. I just reacted."
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Well it's kind of a cops and robbers in reverse- funny to read. I honestly get on great with the police, nicest police I know. I have friends married to them and one whose uncle is the chief locally, so I don't know what all the fuss is about, but I guess that old habits die hard for some. then they spoil it for the rest. It seems as if drugs and guns go missing from the police lock-up occasionally, and the chief of police himself was actually a major drug runner, and the Mayor (the mayor's dad was a cop and apparently it was corrupt then) considered martial law, and then there was the vice and well....
Anyway around here the cops and robbers both wear bullet-proof vests and this is just a small country city not like Albany!



Why not have a little read?

http://www.ag.ny.gov/media_center/2008/dec/dec2a_08.html

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Corrup...r_to_0323.html

I ahve never met a bad cop locally- always felt protected, perhaps the good ones have to work very hard to make up for the bad ones.
I used to live in Troy (went to school there as well), only been to Schenectady a couple times (what's there besides GE?)

I never though of Albany as big, however.

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Tucson-A hero with the best intentions almost shot another hero. How would you or I have reacted if we had a gun ready to shoot. perhaps have shot the wrong man?
that wouldve been strangely typical for AZ.

i did my MBA in a suburb of Phoenix. That place is crazy. Youd see guys with ivory handled pistols sitting at coffee shops sipping their lattes, absolutely DYING for someone to commit a crime.
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