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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Kuhl - i au, abe mit em Stuck Papier.

Once you've voted you can avoid even the most convincing new arguments and settle back in the smugness of ignorance and futility, for the deed hath indeed been done.
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Old 24.01.2011, 22:44
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Just got my papers in order and have voted.
Feel like I've done my duty and will be dropping it off at the town hall tomorrow morning.

Am really hoping the initiative will be accepted on the 13th.
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Old 24.01.2011, 23:27
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Owning a gun is a responsibilty and having responsibility is a short commodity in europe (especially the UK).

If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns - please vote NO if you can vote, or one day they might take that away from you too!
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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Owning a gun is a responsibilty and having responsibility is a short commodity in europe (especially the UK).

If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns - please vote NO if you can vote, or one day they might take that away from you too!

The initiative is NOT done to outlaw guns ! Whomever wants to have a gun can have it, it only needs to be registered correctly. While I cannot tell you right now how the "storage" of the army weapons will get organized, I am fairly confident that those in charge will find suitable and acceptable solutions. I had the military gun in the cupboard (high up and far behind) for more than 22 years, was happy when I could leave it there, and never had the notion that it gave me any more influence on things. For years, my older brother told me again and again to try to keep my weapon and give it to him, and I was quite determined to try so. But just two months before I was handing back the whole military stuff my brother died. I still remember that I handed the gun to the lieutenant in charge with the words "my brother has died and so I am no longer interested, take that piece of shit". I admit to have been unfair as it possibly sounded as if the death of my brother" had anything to do with the army. But to say it with Edith Piaf "Non, je ne regrette rien"
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Sorry Cariad but I don't agree and even less with the opinion that this step to a totally peaceful and safe environment (it's already much much better than other countries) will have any kind of negative influence on our possibilities and rights to vote (if I have understood you correctly)

Anyway, I'll bet that women will rightfully vote to banish them, and it will be a good thing !
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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Whomever wants to have a gun can have it, it only needs to be registered correctly.
Sorry, but that's simply not true. The initiative clearly states:
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Wer Feuerwaffen und Munition erwerben, besitzen, tragen, gebrauchen oder überlassen will, muss den Bedarf dafür nachweisen und die erforderlichen Fähigkeiten mitbringen.
i.e. someone will have to prove that he needs a gun. Given the Swiss' love of rules and perfectionism this will most likely turn out to be an expensive bureaucratic nightmare.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Good ! Nobody needs any. The country is neutral and has had the down right intelligence to stay out of any kind of conflict for centuries.
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If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns - please vote NO if you can vote, or one day they might take that away from you too!
Interesting how you hand out voting advice without knowing what the initiative is actually about... Or do you actually know, but choose to misrepresent?

Swiss political system 101: "They" and "you" (us) are actually the same.

Art. 136 of the Swiss constitution guarantees the right to vote.

Art. 140 stipulates that any changes to the constitution have to be submitted to popular vote (mandatory referendum).
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Sorry, but that's simply not true. The initiative clearly states:
i.e. someone will have to prove that he needs a gun.
True, but the specific rules would be set by the parliament - which is dominated by parties that are against the initiative. So I don't see a big "danger" of overly complicated rules.
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True, but the specific rules would be set by the parliament - which is dominated by parties that are against the initiative. So I don't see a big "danger" of overly complicated rules.
Also, if it's anything like the current law in Australia, being a member of a sport shooting club would be 'proof' that you need one ... and wanting to hunt in appropriate areas would also count as 'proof' - and iirc, simply being a farmer is also 'proof' that you need a gun (eg, feral animal control, swiftly ending suffering of critically injured animals).
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

I have lived and worked in the UK, after they banned guns or most of them... why has the crime rate gone up 100% with handguns there??? and now 100% again??? are you people blind?
I have lived threw having to hand my guns in, in Australia. did it make Australia safer like England??? no.
Crime has gone crazy

Don't believe and don't get a nice warm fuzzy feeling when your rights are gone. as the world is going crazy..
don't believe you will rid the world of guns you never will...
It is crazy to believe the world will be safer...

Please Swiss people really think about this, look what has happened in other countries before throwing your freedoms away...

This is a chance to stand up and say no we don't want the EU forcing its laws on us...
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This is a chance to stand up and say no we don't want the EU forcing its laws on us...
Huh? What's the EU got to do with it?
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Old 25.01.2011, 17:56
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Lost the plot myself on that one. Although EU-folk would be the first buggers to get shot at when they dare to set foot on our scared soil in anger.
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I have lived and worked in the UK, after they banned guns or most of them... why has the crime rate gone up 100% with handguns there??? and now 100% again??? are you people blind?
Really? UK has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world.
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This is a chance to stand up and say no we don't want the EU forcing its laws on us...
Better to just shake your head than saying NOO...
I've heard they even want to shove these laws down our throats!
Now how is this helping with anything, no idea
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

I would not want to see the Swiss freedom change, it is free because of the way things are here.
If all the guns are put in one place, then its easy to know where they are for the crim's
the UK prints in the press how low crime is but the reality it is covered up.

I would not want to see the police become enforcers rather then the police they used to be.
It is better that we know every house has a gun, then not really knowing what is there.
it should be a right not a privelage
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

When I got my ballot papers, I filled it and mailed it off the next day. I voted "yes" because I remember Zug. And if enough Swiss can remember that day 10-years ago, then we'll finally drop a rather useless tradition that belongs in the past. Weapons belong in the arsenal, full-stop.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

What has the EU to do with it?

A lot more then one realises...
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Zug, was a man with a police jacket on.. one incident...
outlaw guns and see what happens.
learn from countries that have, bye bye freedom
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