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Old 27.01.2011, 03:35
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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The only problem is the EU..
Current Swiss gun law already meets the EU (or better Schengen) minimum standards. There's no need to change the law because of the EU.
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Old 27.01.2011, 09:28
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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How naive of you, constitutions can be changed. Probably the only reason the Swiss still have one is exactly because they are armed.
Yes they can...By the people and only by the people. The parliament can propose changes, but the people have the last say. Always. So the reason why the constitution is what it is is not the threat of domestic terrorism. Sorry about that.

Besides, there are many examples of countries with stricter gun laws AND a constitution....


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If this thing goes through (which in my hopefull opinion it will not) then I think that I shall seek another horizon. Watching another great country sink into the mud will be more than my heart could stand.
How do you know how great or not great the swiss political System is if you don't even know how it works?
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Old 27.01.2011, 09:52
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How naive of you, constitutions can be changed. Probably the only reason the Swiss still have one is exactly because they are armed.
What?

Sorry. I must have mis-read. I thought you'd written that the Swiss probably only have a constitution because they are armed.

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If this thing goes through (which in my hopefull opinion it will not) then I think that I shall seek another horizon. Watching another great country sink into the mud will be more than my heart could stand.
You'll leave because this will affect you how exactly?
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

I have seen this all before, and seen arguments for and against.

this is the beginning of the end for this...

you can argue about it all day long, I have seen this step before several times. then the next step and all seems logical, and when the last step comes you all think what happened.

as I said open your eyes

you are still running around with blindfolds on...

I just sit back and enjoy as I can see what is coming next... lol
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

From what I understand there is a movement who wants the Swiss army gone and they started this weapons thing...

be carefull and don't vote wrongly as what I see happening has happened in other countries allready
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From what I understand there is a movement who wants the Swiss army gone and they started this weapons thing...

be carefull and don't vote wrongly as what I see happening has happened in other countries allready
Where? Costa Rica?
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Old 27.01.2011, 10:37
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Being required to store the military rifle at home isn't, but having the right to own a gun certainly is.


I truly hope that you are right and that especially the smaller, more rural cantons will kill this idiocy for good.
Have you read the initiative? The right to own a gun is not being proposed. Controlled, yes, but not banned.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Sorry typo.

Have you read the initiative? The right to own a gun is not being QUESTIONed. Controlled, yes, but not banned.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

As I said, I have been trough this and this is where it starts.

I can see it coming....

just wait
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Old 27.01.2011, 12:42
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Where have you been through it? What was the result? What is coming?

It sounds like you don't really know.
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As I said, I have been trough this and this is where it starts.
Ah, those Australian re-education camps for non-compliant sheeple independent thinkers...

All becomes clear, now.



So tell us... what was Alexander Solzhenitsyn like as a person?
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Old 27.01.2011, 13:43
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As I said, I have been trough this and this is where it starts.
I can see it coming....
just wait

Your posts are rather obscure. I was digging around a bit and the only thing connected to your point is Schengen (as was mentioned before). This year some minor changes to gun orders (Waffenverordnung) have been implemented in accordance with the advancement of Schengen regulation. More changes to gun regulations due to Schengen were made in 2008 (as the then current swiss law did apparently not meet the standards), and so on and so forth... So maybe you indeed have a point in regards to gun regulation in general but you are quite late to the Schengen bashing party. Anyway, that is not what this initiative is about. Thanks for lending me your shovel.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

After a slow beginning like you are having here, also because of mass shootings. (one of these staged). known due to contact within a government.
laws were pushed into place, without caring of what the results may be.
for one I received compensation for some, for losses none.

if we have a mass shooting, eg. 10, 20 or 30 shot, then there are other problems at work. guns are not what shoot people. people shoot people.
I know several who hanged themselves, we don't talk about how dangerous rope is! and we don't talk of banning rope???
when many are killed by cars, we don't talk about how dangerous cars are and they should be banned?

I know of nearly 10000 people who lost everything due to a ban, a lot of them couldn't cope. result covered up. we don't want to know...

how do these things start?
excactly the way this initiative is being done, and those before...
the slide downhill has started.
what and why this is being done you will just need to wait and see...

the sourse cannot be show or identified. this goes much deeper then you know or want to see. treat is as a joke, I have seen this all before.

as I said enjoy the ride. I watch, I read, and I see the blindness... lol
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the sourse cannot be show or identified.
Is it the Jews?

Go on... you can tell me. I promise I won't tell anyone else.
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Old 27.01.2011, 15:06
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After a slow beginning like you are having here, also because of mass shootings. (one of these staged). known due to contact within a government.
laws were pushed into place, without caring of what the results may be.
for one I received compensation for some, for losses none.

if we have a mass shooting, eg. 10, 20 or 30 shot, then there are other problems at work. guns are not what shoot people. people shoot people.
I know several who hanged themselves, we don't talk about how dangerous rope is! and we don't talk of banning rope???
when many are killed by cars, we don't talk about how dangerous cars are and they should be banned?

I know of nearly 10000 people who lost everything due to a ban, a lot of them couldn't cope. result covered up. we don't want to know...

how do these things start?
excactly the way this initiative is being done, and those before...
the slide downhill has started.
what and why this is being done you will just need to wait and see...
You certainly excel at using at lot of words without saying anything.

Which shooting was staged?

How did 10000 people lose their livelyhood? It can't take that much of an explanation, just a couple of words, maybe they were secret assasins and not being able to purchase sniper rifles put them at a disadvantage.

Which downhill slide?

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as I said enjoy the ride. I watch, I read, and I see the blindness... lol
Where and when?

I think I know where you're going, but it's amusing that you won't say it.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

psst.... lol
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psst.... lol
A pistol? Where?


aaaaaaaaaaaaah I get it now! It was you all along!!!

You're not really an aussie, you're not a man, and what you were saying was a load of drivel after all !!!

Well, you had me fooled there - hook, line and sinker. Would never have guessed it, not in a million years


Well done!!! Well done indeed!!! That was quite a trick, you'll be feeling a real sense of achievement now, and rightly so

So will you be going back to your deep and meaningful life now, or will you be hanging round under another signin as previously suggested? The Base Jumper thread is pretty ripe and ready for your intellectual contributions - hope to see you over there
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Have you read the initiative?
Yes, I have.

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The right to own a gun is not being QUESTIONed.
Not quite. Currently, owning a gun is a right. If the initiative was approved it would no longer be a right but a privilege. Big difference.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

The awakening...
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Yes, I have.


Not quite. Currently, owning a gun is a right. If the initiative was approved it would no longer be a right but a privilege. Big difference.
Is owning a gun specifically mentioned as a right, or does it just count as a personal possesion?
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