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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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Cariad123, have you been here long ? It's a very safe and peaceful country, there's not need. There's very little violence and everything is carefully controlled, which is good.
That's exactly why this stupid iniative is completely unnecessary.

It will not make this country safer but it will cost billions of taxpayer money to buy up all the guns and for all the unneeded bureaucracy.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Much better option than having 'em around
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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put them in one place like an arsenal.

now crims know where to find them, they are all in the one lolly shop...

now outside mentality will change as now the outside world will know the Swiss don't have their weapons at home...

hope you will feel safe when you need it and cannot get your weapon....

why are you so blind?

vote yes please....

Crims can now come as they please, your woman must feel safe then knowing that anyone can walk in and rape them...

I am done here, I didnt realise you were so blind here. this has all been done in other places, now people there live behind bars because their world became a safer place...

the snow ball has started to roll... and will not stop

bye bye
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

sorry but they are called Crimeans or Crimean Tatars and it's mean to describe them in such a negative way, ok...
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That's exactly why this stupid iniative is completely unnecessary.

It will not make this country safer but it will cost billions of taxpayer money to buy up all the guns and for all the unneeded bureaucracy.
when the abuse of weapons is greater then the use of them = time to react...
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Option:
put them in one place like an arsenal.

now crims know where to find them, they are all in the one lolly shop...

now outside mentality will change as now the outside world will know the Swiss don't have their weapons at home...

hope you will feel safe when you need it and cannot get your weapon....

why are you so blind?

vote yes please....

Crims can now come as they please, your woman must feel safe then knowing that anyone can walk in and rape them...

I am done here, I didnt realise you were so blind here. this has all been done in other places, now people there live behind bars because their world became a safer place...

the snow ball has started to roll... and will not stop

bye bye
bye! we will miss use misinformation and paranoia! take care
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when the abuse of weapons is greater then the use of them = time to react...
Sure, but that is not the case here.

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sorry but they are called Crimeans or Crimean Tatars and it's mean to describe them in such a negative way, ok...
Can I call them Ukrainians, though?
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Why don't you all just move where you think it's safer and leave this place be.

There is hardly any misuse of firearms here.

but you will see.

blind leading the blind

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Sure, but that is not the case here.

Tom
of course it is...tell me how many weapon collector saved the life of people, VS how many times / year weapons are abused...

There are less to none, where people which were entitled (no not police officers and security guards) that actually saved anyone or themselves...LOL
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Crikey, 27 pages is a lot to read...
I used to use firearms when I was in the Scouts and as a kid, you really do feel the responsibility of using one (y'know, what it can do to people and how to take every seemingly unnessecary precaution to make sure that never happens, etc), so they can be a useful teaching aid in certain contexts.
However, I also really don't see the point in having one at home - they should only be used at a properly-made range and they should be kept there with the appropriate security to match.
Regarding the rapid mobilisation of the militia in the event of a snap invasion (go Liechtenstein!), even in Britain in 1940, off-duty squaddies left their guns at the barracks and Britain at that point was faicng a possible invasion.
On the other hand, tighter regulation of firearms as a whole doesn't always mean lower gun crime - in the UK after pistols were banned, gun crime rocketed. The police lost many of their contacts in the form of registered gun owners who were occassionally offered something illegal in the way of a gun. As such, gun running into Britain was almost unchecked for a period.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

I have been saying this, but you are talking to a lot of blind people here, who feel the streets are safer when the guns are gone...

they are so blinded by the light....
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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guess so, if you are talking about those living in Ukraine. But I'm not the expert as it seems (ok it doesn't), now about that snowball...
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guess so, if you are talking about those living in Ukraine. But I'm not the expert as it seems (ok it doesn't), now about that snowball...
I used to know a rabbit called Snowballs. Apparently her owners originally thought he was a she...
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On the other hand, tighter regulation of firearms as a whole doesn't always mean lower gun crime - in the UK after pistols were banned, gun crime rocketed. The police lost many of their contacts in the form of registered gun owners who were occassionally offered something illegal in the way of a gun. As such, gun running into Britain was almost unchecked for a period.
That's one of the main reasons why I think that the iniative is a very stupid idea and could backfire (quite literally!) big time if it was approved.

Despite what the scaremongering campaign of the proponents is trying to make people believe, there's actually very little gun crime in Switzerland. So why change the law and take the risk that the same thing will happen that happened in the UK?

Besides, despite never having owned a gun myself, I feel much safer in a country where a criminal has to expect to be confronted with a gun than in one where all law-abiding citizens have been disarmed.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Have just been out cycling and couldn't fail to notice the roadside posters :

"No to the useless leftist weapons initiative!"
"Don't destroy basic Swiss values"
and a pic of a crumpled up Swiss flag (I think - I was going quite fast...!)

No mincing of words there.
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