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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

If you think this is not what criminals or most people talk about it is...

Swiss are all armed, this scares people.

If you think crime here is high???

go and live in another coutry for a while.... this is nothing here....

this is like telling me how high tax is in Swiss??? income tax is about 30 to 40% lower then what I would normally pay. goods are cheaper here then what I normally would see....

Come on are you guys really this blind or what?

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goods are cheaper here then what I normally would see....
Cheaper?!? In Switzerland? Which country are you comparing to? Norway?
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Cheaper?!? In Switzerland? Which country are you comparing to? Norway?
Norway, Sweden, Corsica are all far more expensive.

And fuel is much cheaper here than most of Europe.

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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Try Australia
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It is quite the other way round. The Initiative will NOT become stricter when passing through parliament but get watered down. The final legislation will NOT contain more restrictions than the initiative but less.
That remains to be seen... but why should we take that risk and leave it up to the parliament when we can simply vote NO now?
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If you think this is not what criminals or most people talk about it is...

Swiss are all armed, this scares people.
It doesn't scare.

People like you scare me. Do you sleep in camouflage-patterned pyjamas?
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Poster used by Annabelle magazine

Disgusting sexist scaremongering propaganda. No responsible gun owner would ever point his gun at a person's (let alone his wife's) head like that.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

The picture does not show depth....

As I said earlier, when you vote yes. many things will change in Switzerland if you want to believe this or not it has show this in every country this started this way...

New Zeeland however followed Australia, in the ban of semi-auto's...
easy New Zeeland had full registration and every weapon was traceable...

As soon as the authorities started to pick the weapons up, the reports of burglaries started coming in... at the end it seemed about 95% of semi-auto owners had been broken into and the weapons were gone....

So next step, anyone who now owns a semi-auto will now be a criminal as they did in Australia. it does not matter that you bought it legally and really want to have it, why buy it in the first place...

This lasted 1 maybe 2 years, and the authorities gave up on the idea, now you can with the correct licence buy any semi-auto, but it has been extended to machine guns, and much more...
better to know who has weapons, then to have a country full of illegal weapons...
problem solved, it seems even Canada now wants to adopt the NZ way... Australia keeps being dump about this... its been proven that over 6 million weapons disapeared down under...

what happens if you say no?

The problems here are minor, I believe more people die in Swiss, from drugs and car accidents then shooting.
People outside of Swiss will keep believing this is a dagerous place and Swiss life stays the same...
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

I don't find Switzerland to be dangerous, as an American. On the contrary, I would vote "no" for a number of reasons. If you want to make this a discussion of safety, doing the research will show that more guns per capita equals less gun-related crime. Gun control in every facat, has been about the government having more control over its people.
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I don't find Switzerland to be dangerous, as an American.
You haven't been to Switzerland, as an American. (Whatever you do, don't wear white tennis shoes when you come over.)
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You haven't been to Switzerland, as an American. (Whatever you do, don't wear white tennis shoes when you come over.)
I'm not quite sure why I have to go somewhere to know anything about it. Besides, I was representing the audience that was referred to in the post.

Also I hate white tennis shoes. I only wear cowboy boots or Pumas. But for ya'll it'll probably be the boots.
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You haven't been to Switzerland, as an American. (Whatever you do, don't wear white tennis shoes when you come over.)




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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Actually the swiss constitution was taken from the US model.
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Gun control in every facat, has been about the government having more control over its people.
As proven in Tunisia and Egypt.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/int...l?cid=29384220
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Supporters of President Hosni Mubarak, throwing petrol bombs, wielding sticks and charging on horses and camels, fiercely attacked demonstrators in Cairo on Wednesday after the army told protesters to clear the streets.
Anti-Mubarak protesters hurled stones back
Would you prefer the citizens of Egypt to have free access to guns ?
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As proven in Tunisia and Egypt.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/int...l?cid=29384220
Would you prefer the citizens of Egypt to have free access to guns ?
Yes
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Which side?
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Disgusting sexist scaremongering propaganda. No responsible gun owner would ever point his gun at a person's (let alone his wife's) head like that.
It's not pointed at her head anyway, it's more forward!

Typical propaganda.

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If you think this is not what criminals or most people talk about it is...

Swiss are all armed, this scares people.

If you think crime here is high???

go and live in another coutry for a while.... this is nothing here....

this is like telling me how high tax is in Swiss??? income tax is about 30 to 40% lower then what I would normally pay. goods are cheaper here then what I normally would see....

Come on are you guys really this blind or what?

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No, this is simply NOT true. Only few Swiss people are armed. To have that military gun at home, without ammunition, does NOT mean you are armed. To have a gun at home you use on some Saturdays at your shooting club does NOT mean you are armed. And to have a gun at home you some times per year take with you for hunting does not mean you are armed either.

Ever realized that all those soldiers you at specific times can see on trains and trams etc with those guns not only have no ammunition, but that each single weapon before departure was checked that there was no ammunition in it.

And while there ARE some selective things which are cheaper here than elsewhere, to say that "goods are cheaper here" is a rather strange declaration.
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Ever realized that all those soldiers you at specific times can see on trains and trams etc with those guns not only have no ammunition, but that each single weapon before departure was checked that there was no ammunition in it.
Yup, almost impossible to get a permit to carry a loaded weapon in public as a normal citizen.
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The picture does not show depth....

As I said earlier, when you vote yes. many things will change in Switzerland if you want to believe this or not it has show this in every country this started this way...

New Zeeland however followed Australia, in the ban of semi-auto's...
easy New Zeeland had full registration and every weapon was traceable...

As soon as the authorities started to pick the weapons up, the reports of burglaries started coming in... at the end it seemed about 95% of semi-auto owners had been broken into and the weapons were gone....

So next step, anyone who now owns a semi-auto will now be a criminal as they did in Australia. it does not matter that you bought it legally and really want to have it, why buy it in the first place...

This lasted 1 maybe 2 years, and the authorities gave up on the idea, now you can with the correct licence buy any semi-auto, but it has been extended to machine guns, and much more...
better to know who has weapons, then to have a country full of illegal weapons...
problem solved, it seems even Canada now wants to adopt the NZ way... Australia keeps being dump about this... its been proven that over 6 million weapons disapeared down under...

what happens if you say no?

The problems here are minor, I believe more people die in Swiss, from drugs and car accidents then shooting.
People outside of Swiss will keep believing this is a dagerous place and Swiss life stays the same...
^[citation needed]
Amazing how many of the crime statistics that the US has compared to other countries, many of whom ban firearms:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/...ates/cri-crime
And it's even got sources - you know, those things you back up an argument with instead of just making up numbers.

Also, very few E endorsements are issued in NZ for military-style semi-autos and they have to be for very specific reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...in_New_Zealand

All-in-all, if you want to make us believe a point, give us some information to back it up.
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