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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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If you want to make this a discussion of safety, doing the research will show that more guns per capita equals less gun-related crime.
Egypt:
80 million people, restrictive gun laws in place, firearm homicides 2006: 123
Mexico:
120 million people, right to possess handguns for every citizen, firearm homicides in 2006 : 3500+
Source:http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/egypt
Expect these numbers to be significantly higher for Mexico in the last couple of years (2006-2010).
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Put them all in one place, and see what happens heard all the for and against before this whole thing is like back to the beginning...

please say yes, prove me wrong....

lol, lol, lol

and who will pay for all this??? you will
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

The cost of living has gone through the roof in Australia, Switzerland is cheaper in most things...

To now get a semi licence in Australia is very difficult. and renewed every year. this where those who opted not to hand in what they legally bought are now clasified as criminals, this is wrong!

nearly 6 million guns disapeared in Aust, where did they go?

every now and then one pops up, and handguns we won't even discuss as so many of these disapeared as well... shipment of glocks for the cops with extra's was stolen as well wonder why???

Because the more difficult you make the law, the more people look for an easier way to obtain what they want.

I really cannot believe how daft some people here are..

enjoy while you can.... been there done that....
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Actually the swiss constitution was taken from the US model.
Noooooooo ! The other way around.
Benjamin Franklin was deeply inspired by Switzerland during his travels here.
According to what model did the US decide to have states managed by a federal government ? makes you think of.. and which country has the oldest democracy ?
The US model may perhaps have had an influence later in history, but the initial inspiration came from this small and tidy country.
Do catch up on your history
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The cost of living has gone through the roof in Australia, Switzerland is cheaper in most things...
Our living costs on a day-to-day basis are lower than when we lived in Bern (even in Sydney). The major costs for us are because we're foreign (compulsory health insurance plus paying for medicare, $4,500/year school fees because we're on a 457, etc).
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Actually the swiss constitution was taken from the US model.
No matter what their relationship is, can you tell me the key difference?

Yes, good guess, it is neutrality, which sort of changes the slant of having a gun toting populous?
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Egypt:
80 million people, restrictive gun laws in place, firearm homicides 2006: 123
Mexico:
120 million people, right to possess handguns for every citizen, firearm homicides in 2006 : 3500+
Source:http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/egypt
Expect these numbers to be significantly higher for Mexico in the last couple of years (2006-2010).
If you believe that Mexico has liberal gun laws, then you need to do some further research.
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Egypt:
80 million people, restrictive gun laws in place, firearm homicides 2006: 123
Mexico:
120 million people, right to possess handguns for every citizen, firearm homicides in 2006 : 3500+
Source:http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/egypt
Expect these numbers to be significantly higher for Mexico in the last couple of years (2006-2010).
Also, if you are an Egyptian murderer-to-be, why use a gun, when bombs appear to be the weapon of the times.
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If you believe that Mexico has liberal gun laws, then you need to do some further research.
I was referring to handguns (pistols, revolvers) specifically.
I do know that many cartels buy automatics and semi-automatics in the US because - contrary to Mexico - those weapons can be legally sold there. Surely you are not saying that fewer people would be killed in Mexico if such weapons were freely available over there as well ?

And oh, by the way, neither I nor the website referred to in my post were referring to the US as the global point of reference for determining whether laws are restrictive or liberal. Gun control laws in a particular country might be liberal on a global scale, but more restrictive than in the US (or, more precisely, in individual states within the US).
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

From a lot of the coments for and against I think you Swiss are in a hurry to join the rest of the screwed up world...

Swiss will change, it is what it is because the Swiss are the way they are.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people...
where there is a will there is a way...

If you do with any product what you are suggesting to do with the weapons, people will find other ways... people will be people...

Wake up, please say yes to make Swizerland a screwed up please...

Say no to keep it the way it is... the world is watching you demise
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Where? Are there Swiss people on the forum?
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

no wonder this forum is screwed up, if there are no Swiss people here...
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If you do with any product what you are suggesting to do with the weapons, people will find other ways... people will be people...
Wake up, please say yes to make Swizerland a screwed up please...
Say no to keep it the way it is... the world is watching you demise
Meh Swiss... Agree it would be terrible if all those reasonable and responsible gun owners would practically be forced to bypass the system and buy their weapons illegaly.

Does someone know what the requirements for shooting club members are? Do they have to go practicing once a week/at the odd event during a year?
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Does someone know what the requirements for shooting club members are?
Self-defense. Otherwise it is murder.
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I was referring to handguns (pistols, revolvers) specifically.
I do know that many cartels buy automatics and semi-automatics in the US because - contrary to Mexico - those weapons can be legally sold there. Surely you are not saying that fewer people would be killed in Mexico if such weapons were freely available over there as well ?

And oh, by the way, neither I nor the website referred to in my post were referring to the US as the global point of reference for determining whether laws are restrictive or liberal. Gun control laws in a particular country might be liberal on a global scale, but more restrictive than in the US (or, more precisely, in individual states within the US).
I based the fact that Mexico has restrictive gun laws on the website you gave me. I was not speaking with relation to the U.S.

Whether or not more guns among the private sector would decrease or increase gun related crimes in Mexico is a complex correlation. I believe that it is not prudent to look at merely a country's guns per capita and their murder rates and then make a correlation.

But if you would like to play that game, you can look at the top three countries with the highest murder rates and then notice that they have very restrictive gun laws and few guns per capita.

Also you will notice that Switzerland has among the lowest murder within Europe and yet has more guns than anyone else. So maybe more guns in Mexico would help their crime rates.

In my opinion, there are many factors that are difficult to incorporate into this equation.
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Switzerland has ... more guns than anyone else.
... according to official statistics.

Remember that other country I told you about? You know, the one where the people take the law with a pinch of salt and habitually lie to people who ask them intrusive questions?

Just sayin', like.

Don't believe everything you read on the internets.
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Remember that other country I told you about? You know, the one where the people take the law with a pinch of salt and habitually lie to people who ask them intrusive questions?

Just sayin', like.

Don't believe everything you read on the internets.
I appreciate the warning. This source was not one of my choosing, but I found that it appears very credible.
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I appreciate the warning. This source was not one of my choosing, but I found that it appears very credible.
Nothing on the internet is credible, including this post.
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Where? Are there Swiss people on the forum?
Wow, I hope not! Just wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

As said before, we have a strong tradition here in my mountains of shooting clubs. Don't 'get' it - and my dog would be much happier not shaking in terror every Thursday evening and Sat morning. But the arsenal is 35km away - so all guns would have to be stored there, and locals would have to go and fetch said guns for practice and take them back same day - so 140km a week. Plus it seems they would'nt be able to pick up somebody else's gun, and would perhaps be targets for criminals who would soon know their routine. So I'll abstain on this vote. Intuitively I'd like to vote 'yes' - but the whole thing is badly put together.
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