Vote yes and find out...

Vote no and things will be ok...

Crap, cop-out answer.

Try again.

I have said this before, now my answer is short...

Time is short

Cannot give more away than this, not now.

This initiative is not where this will end. the only way to stop more and more massive changes in Schweiz is to vote no now.

Crap, cop-out answer.

Try again.

Personally, I have neither the desire nor need to own a gun.

But I will (have, and in in this case, did) vote against any measure that will limit the possibility of my owning one should I change my mind in the future.

Tom

To start at the bottom. The military apparatus will NOT change their ideology just due to a YES to the initiative. And further up, YES I voted YES as I wish that the soldiers no longer have to take that piece home and that their mothers and wifes no longer have to keep parts of their cupboards free just in order to store some piece of largely useless military hardware. Another reason for my YES is that I wish that those lazy "Züghüüslers" get a bit more real work to do

just a very simple and easy direct question : when did the Australian electorate vote about the law you here speak about endlessly ????

The possible YES will NOT "open the door to people keeping more illegal weapons". The conditions will stay exactly the same. The military guns in the homes never were a problem to criminal, but quite to the contrary in case of doubt made burglaries more attractive as Swiss military guns, not of any use to the holders, got nice prices on the black market !

the "second initiative" about what ???

My guess is that it will likely follow the usual demographics such as seen in the minaret initiative, the joining-the-UN vote, women-suffrage vote, etc..

It's unpredictable on the popular vote but there will likely be a huge majority YES among the Suisse Romandes. But the initiative will likely fail on the cantonal vote with a huge majority NO among the Aleman cantons.

Did you know that more dinosaurs are found in the Berner Oberland and the Engadine than in the Jura?

They will probably not change it voluntarily but will be forced to change by the sheer cost and complexity of the central storage of a personal weapon. Besides, if the guns are to be centrally stored and soldiers are no longer allowed to keep the personal gun after the end of their military duty, the concept of a personal weapon just doesn't make sense anymore.

And Ticino.

Tom

I read that they also borrowed heavily from existing federal structures practiced by native americans...

Chopper Read, maybe? I dunno, you tell me

So why dont the army issue us all with cars instead of purpose made killing machines?

Bit harder to kill hand to hand than point and squeeze though, innit? Not that I'd know either way, just a guess. Less potential for mass murder, as well - don't remember many multiple school killings being done with a knife

How many times have you heard on the news "he seemed like such a nice guy, and lovely neighbour, very quiet, its hard to believe hes done this". Even the neighbours of that guy in Austria who locked his daughters in a cellar and raped them for 17 years didn't suspect...


Go read it again, in full...instead of the oft quoted sub quote taken completely out of context. I believe it states that where free states require a well armed militia to defend themselves....the rights to bear arms shall not be infringed. Written when there was no standing army. I can't see any state in America being threatened with invasion, not really

Just saw this post, and the one above it where you provide the snopes article as some kind of evidence for your views, it looks like you only read the quoted text from the article (the rumour) and not the text about giving context to the numbers.

Interesting how a couple of minutes with Google indicates that this is all a complete lie, isn't it.

Actually I didn't. It was someone else.

I have no problem where people are posting from or their nationality or their opinions. I love to hear them all.

Lisa

So there are more dinosaurs in the Lepontine as well.

In the Jura, we have moved on to an advanced state of evolution...

Do you insist on condemning everyone who disagrees with you as a "dinosaur", or do you merely reserve that patronising term for those who wish to preserve their existing rights under the law?

Chill out guy. All I said was the vote will likely be a NO on the cantonal level and it is likely it will be based on these mountain (or röstigraben) divides. And many romandes will not be happy with that, just as they are not happy with the result of the xenophobic minaret initiative. But of course, we accept it as being a part of our democratic process. But we can still freely express our opinion. If you disagree with the "dinosaur" metaphor (which by the way is pretty minor compared to some other stuff that I have seen here) then you must be pretty sensitive.

Me and my Dad used to play at planning an invasion of the US, a bit like the game 'Risk'. My Dad used to say that if we invaded from the south most of the people would be with us, i.e. being pro-british at heart, so we certainly wouldn't need not take their shooters off them in the process. So, a pincer movement from North (Canada) and South (Florida). Over in a week, Union Flag back on the white house (after we burn it down again of course). Just a joke homeland sec people, honest :-)