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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Now I understand, we learned about this...

Generation Y, why bother, why work, why do anything...

going down the tube but we cannot be bothered... YYYYY

shame you cannot understand...

This is good... I like give me more please sir....

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Old 07.02.2011, 23:07
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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Well, from my point of view, one of the reasons that I moved to this country was because of its more mature approach to guns.... i.e. if you want to own one, then go for it.
The more I talk to people (voters and non-voters, Swiss and non-Swiss) the less I think this vote is about actual "gun-control".
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Well I do sympathise-if he left Aussieland because he had to give up his guns- and he came here because it seemed to be gun paradise - poor thing.
...and then washed up in Frauenfeld. Ouch, ouch, ouch! Triple-cluster-butt-F'ked
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Colinwheeler

you are correct... shame others cannot see this point...
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Off-topic so I am sure will be deleted as soon as Longbyt sees it....but weejeem, I like the new avatar/sig.....do you have a history of all of them?
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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you are correct... shame others cannot see this point...
Seriously though, I would vote NO as I don't see it changing people's abilities to own thier own firearm....I just see it changing the way that millitary firearms are dealt with.....or am I completely wrong here?
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Colin, I have seen this excact thing before. it all sounds good and well and gives those who believe a nice warm fuzzy feeling now.

Things will only get worse once they start, this is just the beginning of what is planned.

I am just the messenger, they shoot messengers don't they?
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Old 07.02.2011, 23:21
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you are too dumb arse to see what will happen and look at government numbers to blind you?
What's wrong with government numbers? In case you haven't noticed: The federal government (Bundesrat) as well as both chambers of the parliament are against the initiative. Same goes for most major parties except for the Socialists, the Green Party (aka commies in disguise) and CVP's women's group.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

The government numbers from Aussieland
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I am just the messenger, they shoot messengers don't they?
I would not be surprised.

However, I still think there is a large difference in having a government that is "gun-control" oriented and having a populous that is having a referendum about the storage of millitary weapons.
Personally, I don't think that initial votes will effect anything very much anyway. As what seems to be a very practical nation, a number of referendums on difficult subjects (gun control, drugs) don't really seem to effect the way things are done here that much anyway.
I would not read too much into the whole thing from a strategic point of view....I am not sure that too many of the Swiss are.
The nice thing is, if you have a vote, you get heard.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

I understand this is a very left wing party who started this, all I am trying to do is make people aware where this can lead too as I have been there before.

I also am aware that it can all be turned around as well...

even if the yes vote goes thru, and people have to take their weapons in I have been hearing a lot won't... too used to have it around...
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Can anybody explain to me the relationship between elected officials and referendums here?
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I understand this is a very left wing party who started this
I am still trying to understand the correlation between these two things.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Aussieman: You're clearly a bit too dim to have sussed this one out, but if I were able to vote in Switzerland, I would vote no to the initiative. That has been my position from the start of this thread, although I don't have particularly strong feelings on the matter either way.

However, you and your paranoid ramblings do absolutely nothing to support the position of those who are opposed to the initiative. Rather, your nonsense merely adds more weight to the arguments (pretty good ones, I have to admit) of those who would see the initiative go through.

If only you would, for once, actually state plainly your reasons for thinking that the initiative is a bad idea, you might actually have some hope of being heard without mockery.

As it is, you just come across as a bit of a nutter.

So tell me... are you going to shoot the messenger this time?
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Well I wasn't sure before, but he has totally convinced me.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

As a serving member of the Swiss Navy, I have to be honest and say that I am undecided as to whether to encourage people to vote "Yes" or "No"...
  • On the positive side, having the rifle kicking about is very handy for poking the fire, banging the odd nail in and, of course, for stirring paint.
  • On the negative side, the missus keeps moaning about the patrol boat under the bed.

Perhaps people will have to decide for me
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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Dougal is giving you sound advice; you would do well to take it.................and bow out gracefully.....
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Opinion polls show 47% YES and 45% NO and 8% UNdecided. If the undecided split in half it will be a narrow YES, if they however mostly turn to NO it will be a 55% NO. So that it can become a narrow matter.

Nice would be if the undecided stayed undecided which would result in a narrow YES
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Understood, Dougal...

perhaps paranoid, parhaps not...

maybe another reason... what I don't like is when insiders give me too much insight...
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Eeek! Where did you find this info Wollishofener? Looks like no sleep for me on Feb 13th
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what I don't like is when insiders give me too much insight...
You're doing it again.
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