Now I understand, we learned about this...

Generation Y, why bother, why work, why do anything...

going down the tube but we cannot be bothered... YYYYY

shame you cannot understand...

This is good... I like give me more please sir....

Well, from my point of view, one of the reasons that I moved to this country was because of its more mature approach to guns.... i.e. if you want to own one, then go for it.
The more I talk to people (voters and non-voters, Swiss and non-Swiss) the less I think this vote is about actual "gun-control".

...and then washed up in Frauenfeld. Ouch, ouch, ouch! Triple-cluster-butt-F'ked

Colinwheeler

you are correct... shame others cannot see this point...

Off-topic so I am sure will be deleted as soon as Longbyt sees it....but weejeem, I like the new avatar/sig.....do you have a history of all of them?

Seriously though, I would vote NO as I don't see it changing people's abilities to own thier own firearm....I just see it changing the way that millitary firearms are dealt with.....or am I completely wrong here?

Colin, I have seen this excact thing before. it all sounds good and well and gives those who believe a nice warm fuzzy feeling now.

Things will only get worse once they start, this is just the beginning of what is planned.

I am just the messenger, they shoot messengers don't they?

What's wrong with government numbers? In case you haven't noticed: The federal government (Bundesrat) as well as both chambers of the parliament are against the initiative. Same goes for most major parties except for the Socialists, the Green Party (aka commies in disguise) and CVP's women's group.

The government numbers from Aussieland

I would not be surprised.

However, I still think there is a large difference in having a government that is "gun-control" oriented and having a populous that is having a referendum about the storage of millitary weapons.
Personally, I don't think that initial votes will effect anything very much anyway. As what seems to be a very practical nation, a number of referendums on difficult subjects (gun control, drugs) don't really seem to effect the way things are done here that much anyway.
I would not read too much into the whole thing from a strategic point of view....I am not sure that too many of the Swiss are.
The nice thing is, if you have a vote, you get heard.

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Living it up in Gersau.

I understand this is a very left wing party who started this, all I am trying to do is make people aware where this can lead too as I have been there before.

I also am aware that it can all be turned around as well...

even if the yes vote goes thru, and people have to take their weapons in I have been hearing a lot won't... too used to have it around...

I am still trying to understand the correlation between these two things.

Aussieman: You're clearly a bit too dim to have sussed this one out, but if I were able to vote in Switzerland, I would vote no to the initiative. That has been my position from the start of this thread, although I don't have particularly strong feelings on the matter either way.

However, you and your paranoid ramblings do absolutely nothing to support the position of those who are opposed to the initiative. Rather, your nonsense merely adds more weight to the arguments (pretty good ones, I have to admit) of those who would see the initiative go through.

If only you would, for once, actually state plainly your reasons for thinking that the initiative is a bad idea, you might actually have some hope of being heard without mockery.

As it is, you just come across as a bit of a nutter.

So tell me... are you going to shoot the messenger this time?

Well I wasn't sure before, but he has totally convinced me.

As a serving member of the Swiss Navy, I have to be honest and say that I am undecided as to whether to encourage people to vote "Yes" or "No"...

• On the positive side, having the rifle kicking about is very handy for poking the fire, banging the odd nail in and, of course, for stirring paint.

• On the negative side, the missus keeps moaning about the patrol boat under the bed.

Perhaps people will have to decide for me

Aussieman

Dougal is giving you sound advice; you would do well to take it.................and bow out gracefully.....

See - I get everything right!

Understood, Dougal...

perhaps paranoid, parhaps not...

maybe another reason... what I don't like is when insiders give me too much insight...

www.tagesanzeiger.ch

You're doing it again.