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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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You do know they don't actually have to buy the army issued guns back don't you? As they belong to the army.
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Completely untrue.
Are you calling me a liar?

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That wasn't even in the formula I used, I'm talking about private guns. My figure was a conservative estimate. This does not include accessories either which a buy back may involve.
So your conservative estimate is that all privately owned guns will be bought back?
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Old 08.02.2011, 17:16
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

The daily mail, read the headline and assumed it was a serious govenrment backed idea then did you?
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The daily mail, read the headline and assumed it was a serious govenrment backed idea then did you?
Thanks. I meant to add a line to ignore anything in the hatemail as I know it has put out a completely false story along those lines.
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Holsters, belts, bags and other accessories. Sexy eh?

It was the same with the fox hunting ban. The government and the anti-hunting witch hunters didn't think that through either. Bye bye, dog kennels, shops, pubs anything that supported the hunt in some way. Come on! Think.
Which turned out to be scare mongering. The Hunts are doing very well indeed in the UK- in fact much better than before. In my area of UK the Cottesmore, Fernie, Belvoir and others are thriving. Partly due to drag hunting, partly due to using every possible loophole (like using birds of prey to flush, etc) + partly because they get away with it!
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Old 08.02.2011, 17:53
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In my area of UK the Cottesmore, Fernie, Belvoir and others are thriving.
Not if you tell everybody they are......shhhhhhhh!
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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But since this is an initiative and it modifies the consititution (abrogates article 107 and adds a new article 118c), a double majority is required. Even if it will be close in the popular vote, the initiative will likely fail in the cantonal vote. However, I don't mean to discourage people not to vote!

The argument of the federal government that came with our ballot papers is essentially, current laws and controls are sufficient. No arguments are given about "preserving gun rights". I haven't seen SVP/UDC ads that mention that either. That kind of conflation is only found on this English Forum.

So why change? The arguments of the initiative committee in the ballot papers (reading from the French my own translation):

1. The place for assault weapons is in the arsenal. Each year, firearms cause the loss of around 300 lives in Switzerland. That is 300 lives too many.


What is an assault rifle? Can you define an assault rifle for me please? The 300 lives lost due to firearms misuse; are we talking murder, suicide, accidents? The weapons responsible for this loss of life; are legally owned or are they used ny criminals?

2. Reinforce the prevention of violence and suicide.

How? This a stupid statement, presumably prepared by some bureaucrat with no little or no common sense.

3. The arms register will help fight against crime.
This is another wishy washy statement totally lacking in substance. Since when do criiminals register their weapons? Here`s a litlle news for you my dear, they dont.


4. Those who need a firearm can keep them. The initiative is not directed against sports shooters, hunters, and collectors who responsibly use the arms that they hold.
This is inaccurate. Nobody has any real idea as to what the legislation will entail. Regardless, legitimate shooters will be penalised. In France and Belgium, it is illegal to hunt with military calibres such as 6.5x55 Swedish, 7.62x51 (aka .308 Win) and 30.06 Springfield. As such I had to buy a new rifle to hunt in France.

I have no problem with legitimate gun controls on firearm owners. Switzerland does not have a serious problem with firearm crime. This initiative is far too broad in its remit and is nothing more than an attempt by tree hugging goody two shoes to flex some muscle.
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The daily mail, read the headline and assumed it was a serious govenrment backed idea then did you?
Did I mention a government behind it? Don't think so. So when you read anything written in a newspaper you instantly dismiss it. Yes, no? What other cliches do you hold paramount?
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This is inaccurate. Nobody has any real idea as to what the legislation will entail. Regardless, legitimate shooters will be penalised.
Please do enlighten us how legitimate shooters will be penalised...! I'm all ears, since you seem to have more info than everybody else..
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

I especially liked the: "Geneva, the capital of Switzerland" part of that article.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

I missed that!
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They are even after angling in the UK now, supported by the peace loving and life ruining EU.
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Did I mention a government behind it? Don't think so.
I would regard the EU as a government so yes, you did.
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Switzerland is like what-the size of NY? Still even then 300 is nothing we've had more than that in my neighborhood, the villains now walk aourn in bullet-proof vests.Tut tut Switzerland really has a lot of catching-up to do.

Gotta sell those Glocks!
Correct me if I am wrong ,In the USA it is against the law to where a bullet-proof vest
.With some exceptions
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Old 08.02.2011, 20:24
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Correct me if I am wrong ,In the USA it is against the law to wear a bullet-proof vest
Corrected that for you.

I would imagine that would vary by state to state legislation as that is what sets most of the laws in the U.S.A. governing those sorts of things. I am sure some state has been dumb enough to try and create legislation around stopping people wearing bullet-proof vests. The U.S.A. has become almost as bad a nanny state as the U.K.
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Correct me if I am wrong ,In the USA it is against the law to where a bullet-proof vest
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I think so, but that doesn't stop them. I know the police aren't too happy about it.
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The daily mail, read the headline and assumed it was a serious govenrment backed idea then did you?
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I would regard the EU as a government so yes, you did.
twist. wriggle ... er .. I suppose so
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

I find it disturbing that people, who have just arrived, who have no idea how we live here and what our mentality and culture is, or have absolutely no link to this country, are really trying to ram strong ideas.

Perhaps in the countries where you are living, or where you lived before arriving, may explain your reasoning, but those realities just do not apply here.

Now perhaps tha initiative won't pass.. whatever.. that has nothing to do with the way some of you are carrying on.

I don't feel that there's any place for a debate. It is as if you're demanding that your presence be acknowledged. It's just a turn off.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

It seems that when your shown what will happen you laugh it of...

so be it, don't come begging when all your rights are gone...

have fun
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Am I supposed to feel bad for feeling something and expressing it here?
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so be it, don't come begging when all your rights are gone...
I haven't got any rights.

I'm only on a B-Permit.
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