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... apart from the Crusades, of course...
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I think that us English were most probably to blame for a very signficant part of the problems....
Not those English who are English now.

Our ancestors were too busy working down the pit or getting caught in spinning jennies to worry about empire building.

Modern Australians, on the other hand, living on the land stolen by their ancestors...

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OK - one more time.

EF is a forum for english speakers living in Switzerland.


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It's primary purpose is the search for that most elusive of holy grails, brown sugar.
And a good curry!

Oh and some of us have the right to vote here as well. I do so I feel fully empowered to debate this issue here. Oldfox....you don't. You have no connection to the country and no understanding of it either as Mathnut has very nicely pointed out already. So please crawl back under whatever rock it was you emerged from. Perhaps you'll find Morg there.
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Technically one cannot blame Switzerland for Calvin's actions because
1. Calvin was French.
2. Geneva was not part of the Swiss Confederation at the time.

However in Zürich, Zwingli was responsible for the execution of a few innocent anabaptists here and there...
but but we can still pride ourselves with having an influential thinker right?
I mean it should be like with the Nati - we win, they lose

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Not those English who are English now.
Fair enough, most of my family do come from a rather inbred bastards of Europe bunch.
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Seems most Brits here would love for the Swiss to get rid of their gun's...

They didn't have the balls to stand up to their government...
Once upon a time they did (right after this).

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...what should they have done about it? started a revolution?...
See above.

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Thanks DB ... was hoping someone would find that.

Yes Switzerland was one of the last countries in Europe to stop burning women / witches, and one of the last to become a democracy in 1971.

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Well, a democracy also is a democracy if women are NOT allowed to vote and elect and both Bible and Koran preach quite clearly that " the wifes are subordinate to men "
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Well, folks, this is a new one on me and I don't mind admitting it. I've met plenty of southerners who haven't entirely given up on the Civil War, but this fellow's the first American I've met who's still fighting 1812.
you mean THIS one here :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1k...rlean_creation


and this man here

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Since when is Australia a democracy?

I am sure it was called the socialist democratic republic of Australia last time I looked?

People have no say in any matters, just have to jump when the gov says so!

same for the Brits...
when I learnt geography it was an Imperial Dominion of Britain. Has anything changed since then ?
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Technically one cannot blame Switzerland for Calvin's actions because
1. Calvin was French.
2. Geneva was not part of the Swiss Confederation at the time.

However in Zürich, Zwingli was responsible for the execution of a few innocent anabaptists here and there...
Ayatollah Huldrych Zwingli of course thought it to be correct to have Baptists, Catholics and Jews drowned in the Limmat, near the Wasser-Kirche, as the way to go. He thought that this was the way to put forward mordernism and the will of God It only was Mr Breitinger, who stopped such practices and started liberalism in Zurich .

What I however find really bad about Mr Zwingli is that he lost the "March" area to the Canton of Schwyz. Also bad was that he lost Zug in the Battle of Kappel
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

The good thing about Swiss battles were the short walks to the battlefield.

I am Swiss, in my 20's, with a center right political orientation, and I support the ban of army rifles. Firstly because of the suicide rate, secondly because of gun rampages and generally because I want the weapons away from kids playing Call of Duty and the easily pissed off Facebook generation.

As for ammunition: You can steal as much ammunition as you want during the WK's (army repetition courses). Some of the recruits/soldiers went home with bags of bullets. During my service even a grenade launcher (for the rifle), a 600m scope, and some night vision goggles were stolen. We all stayed for the weekend, but they never found the stuff. Yeah, we're degenerates, don't give us automatic rifles.

Either way, a ban makes more sense than giving some freaks a free rifle. There are people with serious mental problems out there, who could turn into a serious threat, particularly as the political rhetoric in Switzerland becomes fiercer by the week.
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...Either way, a ban makes more sense than giving some freaks a free rifle. There are people with serious mental problems out there, who could turn into a serious threat, particularly as the political rhetoric in Switzerland becomes fiercer by the week.
...all of it triggered, of course, by the forthcoming referendum...

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Possibly not in the Ticino, but clearly true in the Romandie, at least in most respects. So that it is true in more than 93% of this country
Which is why I will always live in Ticino!

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Not as far as I understand....don't think there was ever a right to bear arms in England.


So, NO.

Sorry to be the bearer (no pun intended) of good news Colin.

"The right to bear arms was guaranteed in the 1689 Bill of Rights, in which the new King William of Orange enshrined a series of rights for his subjects - Catholics were famously excluded.

This was enshrined in common law during the early years of the US, and later informed the second amendment of the US constitution, which explains why the right to bear arms remains so strong a factor in America. " Bailol College Library
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The Brits like the Aussie's don't live in a democracy, where the government is there for the people. the people now believe the people are there for their government.

Unlike in Switzerland where the people decide.

this system does not excist in the so called democratic world.

This argument is not realy about gun's it is about weakening the power of the people.

Every country the Brits have gone the screwed it up...
Be fair, the french were worse
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Seems some people, just go by their own feelings..

The rate of sucides will not reduce because so remove firearms from the scene. it has been proven in many countries that it doesn't reduce this at all. in fact in most cases it increases.

anyhow the figures in Swiss on this are very low, regardless of what you like to believe.

Best to vote NO
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Odd isn't it, you can't have English as a legal nationality i.e. on passports. One consolation for us Welsh then ;-)
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Sorry to be the bearer (no pun intended) of good news Colin.

"The right to bear arms was guaranteed in the 1689 Bill of Rights, in which the new King William of Orange enshrined a series of rights for his subjects - Catholics were famously excluded.

This was enshrined in common law during the early years of the US, and later informed the second amendment of the US constitution, which explains why the right to bear arms remains so strong a factor in America. " Bailol College Library
Another example of simplifying matters until they fit one's political agenda. The significance of the Bill of Rights 1689 lies in its allocation of certain powers to the parliament as opposed to the monarch. And no such right was "guaranteed" - it was subject to the rule of laws properly established by the parliament.
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The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution was heavily influenced by the English Bill of Rights 1689 which restricted the right of the Federal government to interfere with the personal right to bear arms. The Bill of Rights 1689 restricted the right of the monarch to have a standing army and to interfere with the personal right to bear arms. It did not create a new right to have arms, but instead rescinded and deplored acts of the deposed King James II which restricted Protestants rights to have arms whilst at the same time allowing Catholics to keep theirs. The English Bill of Rights firmly established that the right to bear arms was a right within the powers of Parliament to regulate and did not belong to the monarch. Although it was never repealed, those parts of the Bill that refer to the ban on the keeping of standing armies and the right to bear arms, are now considered obsolete. Parliamentary supremacy means that the enactment of subsequent legislation which has created a permanent army owing allegiance to the constitutional monarch [24] and put the ownership and use of certain arms under tight licensing regulations has effectively repealed these laws implicitly.[25] The English Bill of Rights remains important and a part of the English Constitution primarily because it stripped the monarchy of powers and gave more powers and rights to Parliament. A recent decision of the Supreme Court in the United States has taken a stronger view on the personal right to arms and has effectively recognized a personal right to arms, enforceable if needs be and within limits, against the States. Thus English and American legal principles as well as regulations have now diverged quite significantly.
Sir William Blackstone wrote in the eighteenth century, at a time when there were no police or forces of law enforcement, about the right to have arms being auxiliary to the "natural right of resistance and self-preservation", but conceded that the right was subject to their suitability and allowance by law.
"The fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defence, suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression."
The US constitution and the Supreme Court might have a different understanding on this topic, but this is Switzerland, not the US. You may have a certain right in the US - if you want to enjoy that right you'll need to stay at home.
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The rate of sucides will not reduce because so remove firearms from the scene. it has been proven in many countries that it doesn't reduce this at all. in fact in most cases it increases.
Disappointed gun nuts who cannot fathom a life without their assault rifle ?
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Nothing wrong with owning an assualt rifle, only problem is a semi is just a lookalike assault rifle.

people own golf stick and hardly use them they want to have them.

if i were to knock someone over best to use a car and have a good drink...

some people love to shoot, so...
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