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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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Fixed that for you.
(Just two words) Road Rage
Imagine road rage if people had guns in the glovebox ...

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26808164/detail.html

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=7928074
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.... tis better to be educated about things like that, than for the kid to one day find a gun and "play" with it.
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That's nice, but doesn't have anything to do with the topic?! Shooting clubs would still exist after the vote..
I think you may have just read the first line on that one. The point was that education is better than prohibition and I think that it may be quite relevant to the thread.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Ban's take mostly guns from people who love their sport or other interests.

When banning, it usually play's right into the hands of the idiot's as now you lost control.

ban's = loss of control

education is the answer.

A yes vote will ensure that the controll will disapear, and only idiot's and crims will have what they want. which they alway's will anyhow. why hurt the people who just want to enjoy the sport they enjoy?
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Yes, I know. I have friends over here that have those lovely fragile and complicated weapons. (The guy was standby for the Olympic pistol team, last time. )

Don't get me wrong. I like guns. I just don't like idiots to have them and it is very difficult to tell sometimes. This is why I don't particularly tend to come down on either side of the issue.
They are a work of beauty and (deadly) precision.. I would love to shoot with one of those regularely, if I may say so. But for similar reasons as you, I do tend rather to the yes side at the moment. Just tradition doesn't cut it for the no-vote.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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Imagine road rage if people had guns in the glovebox ...
My two favorite bumper stickers from South Africa:
Keep on honking while I reload!
Honk if you have never seen an Uzi fired from a car window.
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I think you may have just read the first line on that one. The point was that education is better than prohibition and I think that it may be quite relevant to the thread.
Hm, I don't agree. It's about wether the army weapon should still be kept at each soldiers home (I already pointed out the lack of security earlier). Yes, there will be additional restrictions, but it's not outlawing any of it.

Of course, education is good in my view, but it is only the beginning, not the end of the issue and discussion.
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My two favorite bumper stickers from South Africa:
Keep on honking while I reload!
Honk if you have never seen an Uzi fired from a car window.
Yes, I am honking. Can you hear me?

I handed in my gun when I left South Africa ... strict new gun controls and all that jazz .. no more Gun Shops to sell unwanted firearms to.

Very strict gun controls there now.

A couple years ago, friend of mine coming home from taking her 2 sons out for a pizza, got gunned from a passing car, youngest son killed, she only took a bullet in her arm.

Criminals will ALWAYS still have guns.

Laws like this take away the rights of honest citizens - to own a weapon, for whatever reason.

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As a matter of interest (perhaps only to me, but bears thinking about, albeit not in THIS country) ....

When I handed in my weapon to the local poice station over there ..... it was damaged to not receive the magazine cliip, and something had bored the barrel ... The policeman receiving it exclaimed over why the magazine would not fit. Strange...? .. I believed from their advertising that all weapons were to be mangled and compressed ... not refired?

Okay, last bit was off topic .... I just had to say that.

And then to add ... I`m on a roll .....

Prohibition is what causes criminals to reign supreme.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Yes, it is not the end of the discusion.

But to rush and say yes to this is also not wise. why change something that has worked for so long. and join the rest of the world. where people are not told the truth about what really goes on...

Switzerland should stay the way it is, it works and works well...
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My two favorite bumper stickers from South Africa:
Keep on honking while I reload!
Honk if you have never seen an Uzi fired from a car window.
When in South Africa a few years ago, we saw many signs saying 'trespassers will be shot'. Yes, I know it is a different world there- but for us it was extremely shocking.
I wouldn't like Switzerland to ever adopt those values, thanks.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Odile,

with a yes vote it will go more that way...

I do believe there is a need for more education especially on how the weapon is stored in the home. a lot of homes have a room like a large safe, this maybe enough but I think most don't lock this room so it is not so good....

A steel fireproof cabinet with safelocks should be ok. ammo seperately

South Africa allready took most of these types of weapons from legal owners, now only the crims have them and use them.

its easier to get an illegal weapon in South Africa now then a legal one...

so go figure
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Odile,

with a yes vote it will go more that way...

I do believe there is a need for more education especially on how the weapon is stored in the home. a lot of homes have a room like a large safe, this maybe enough but I think most don't lock this room so it is not so good....

A steel fireproof cabinet with safelocks should be ok. ammo seperately

South Africa allready took most of these types of weapons from legal owners, now only the crims have them and use them.

its easier to get an illegal weapon in South Africa now then a legal one...

so go figure
Ja, I am planning a trip to SA later this year, with my man-friend (at our ages we are not girls/boys anymore) .... and I loved the look on his face when I said "Such a pity I won`t have a gun in my beachbag".
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

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I wouldn't like Switzerland to ever adopt those values, thanks.
Those signs are jokes. Even in my little cow-town swiss village some folks have those on the entrances of their houses ....... .. even down to how many times target practice will be carried out ..... hahaha.. the Postman will get one warning shot ...... Door-to-door salesmen get two .. etc etc ..... Tax-man gets the bulls-eye.....
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

These were huge signs by the road signs near farms, and I am quite sure they were NOT jokes.
Aussieman, you can't compare the situation in South Africa to Switzerland! That is plain ridiculous.
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

The honourable Mr Pinikity esq, it is only your opinion that makes my twopenneth invalid. I appreciate the fact that you actually read my posts to be frustrated. However, I'm sorry if the facts don't fit your picture of the world at present.

Do you shoot by the way?
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Switzerland did not stay out of the war because of the banks and its neutrality. It did so mainly because of it geography and the general mobilisation of armed troops positioned at the border-line, the "secret" reduit-plan of a "reduced" Switzerland (mainly containing the Alps) full of soldiers, tank-stopping-walls, anti-aircraft and field guns. It was well planned, and those constructions can still be seen today.

But they planned to hunt the litte "pig" (more or less its form on a map) after the fall of Russia - which never happened.

Being neutral has no protection unless you are a bonafide ally of the agressor. Belgium, Holland amongst others suffered this fate. Sweden got away with it by sending so many trucks of iron ore down the tracks to germany that they couldn't send troops up it.
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Switzerland did not stay out of the war because of the banks and its neutrality. It did so mainly because of it geography and the general mobilisation of armed troops positioned at the border-line, the "secret" reduit-plan of a "reduced" Switzerland (mainly containing the Alps) full of soldiers, tank-stopping-walls, anti-aircraft and field guns. It was well planned, and those constructions can still be seen today.

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Nah .. it was the banks.

There were no armed troups at the borders here where I am. The old guys in my village still speak of the last war .... how they lined themselves up outside the village when they heard rumours that Germans might be coming ...... armed with their rifles, and hay carts blocking the route into town .....

This side of Switzerland is flat as a pancake and the germans over the border speak virtually the same dialect ........

Anyways, what has the last war got to do with firearms in CH in this day and age....?
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Switzerland did not stay out of the war because of the banks and its neutrality. It did so mainly because of it geography and the general mobilisation of armed troops positioned at the border-line, the "secret" reduit-plan of a "reduced" Switzerland (mainly containing the Alps) full of soldiers, tank-stopping-walls, anti-aircraft and field guns. It was well planned, and those constructions can still be seen today.
No Switzerland stays neutral because of the banks.

You should really read some of Wolli's posts on the subject of Switzerland during WWII. Not as glorious as some might think. Anyhooo...
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Hi Stephanie. I've try to avoid using statistics in firearm debates for the simple reason that they can be manipulated and masaaged to bamboozle any polite debate. I called your statistics tosh maybe a little too rudely as you plainly seem to have done some research. However, the UK police statistics are notoriously bum kissingly aranged to please their political masters before being handed onto the Home Office. I have contacts in the police who have given me reliable accounts of how some misdameanor crimes are written up as serious and vice versa. it's notoriously hard to get reliable evidence from the UK police authority. Try getting a 'bon vie et meurs' out of them for an employer or security related issue such as joining a shooting club. American statistics on the other hand are slightly better as they have a system of 'fact checking' federal statistics somewhat like they used to do for newspaper stories. I'm not sure they will want to turn this facility to Iraq and Afghanistan when the dust has settled there though.

I've tried to base my posts on my personal experiences and I believe debate is better off withour them. Having said that, those US stastics about %ages of death by different types of weapons, i.e pistol, rifle, shotgun is oddly compulsive reading. I like the bit about 'other type of firearm' it sparks the imagination.... flamethrower? flintlock? You have to have a sense of humour sometimes about these things.

Have you used your criminology degree professionally by the way?
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Re: Swiss Firearms Vote Feb 13, 2011

Nice to be able to shoot back though eh?
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Nice to be able to shoot back though eh?
If we are not allowed to use phones and drive, and most people seem to have trouble with doing so...

Do you really think,...?
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