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I'm moving to Switz next week. Just looking into Swiss politics and the parties. The Swiss People's Party & the Free Democrat Party look interesting. To what degree would you call them genuinely conservative and free market?
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Old 18.01.2011, 19:17
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Personally, I prefer the Lega (dei Ticinese), but that's because I'm more into the local scene.

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...genuinely conservative...
Taking your question at face value ('cause I'm bored and there is no popcorn in the Chuchichäschtli)...

Where are you from, jfl?

The terms 'conservative', 'liberal', 'radical' and 'socialist' can mean different things to different people. It's probably fair game to say that these terms as applied to Swiss politics do not mean the same thing here as they do to to my red-state relatives back home. Or to the blue-state branch of the family, either.

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Re: Swiss People's Party & Free Democrat Party

Do you already hold a Swiss passport? If not, you will not be able to vote for the first 5-12 years you are here anyway - giving you plenty of time to explore the Swiss political system on your own.

(Is it just me or are we more-than-usually inundated with liberty seekers this week? I blame the Glockie-Talkies.)
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Re: Swiss People's Party & Free Democrat Party

hi and welcome to the forum jfl. This is a helpful reference guide I keep going back to--might be a good place for you to start. Elections later this year so I assume the Swissinfo content will be kept fresh.

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Re: Swiss People's Party & Free Democrat Party

None of them.

SVP has a party elite that is quite "free-market", but a large part of its voters heavily depend on government subsidies (farmers, inhabitants of the rural regions). As to being conservative, pretty much, yes, if by "conservative" you mean seeking to ban a lot of things that they consider "un-swiss".

The free democrat party is right-wing fringe and practically nonexistent on the cantonal or federal level. They are definitely not "free-market", as their voters are mostly working-class people who want to defend Switzerland against any kind of involvement with the outside world. As to being conservative, they are no different from SVP.

BTW, seeing your avatar, if you like libertarianism, then you will have a hard time finding a party that suits you in Switzerland.
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Re: Swiss People's Party & Free Democrat Party

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From a Tea Partys point of view they are all at least communists.
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I'm moving to Switz next week. Just looking into Swiss politics and the parties. The Swiss People's Party & the Free Democrat Party look interesting. To what degree would you call them genuinely conservative and free market?
The Free Democratic Liberal Party is genuinely free market. They detest to be described as conservative as their origins go back into the 19th century when they were the "Progressive Radical Liberal Party in favour of progress. Actually, the Social Democrats are a Split-Away from them.

The SVP is the result of the mergers of some parties of small traders, restaurant owners and farmers, who got together in the BGB which then was renamed into the SVP. They were only minimally to the right of the FDP actually, on a position which now got re-established by the BDP. Christoph Blocher however moved the party to the rightwing. His success however not only came from this but from the fact that more and more Catholics in conservative Cantons no longer identified themselves in regard to politics over the denomination. And so, the SVP could capture parts of what was the traditional domain of what used to be the KKP (Katholisch-Konservative Partei) and then became the CVP (Christlich-Soziale Volkspartei).
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Personally, I prefer the Lega (dei Ticinese), but that's because I'm more into the local scene.

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The Lega dei Ticinese (to make the difference to the Lega Nord ! ) is in rethorics to the right of the SVP but in reality not half as far to the right as them.
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Do you already hold a Swiss passport? If not, you will not be able to vote for the first 5-12 years you are here anyway - giving you plenty of time to explore the Swiss political system on your own.

(Is it just me or are we more-than-usually inundated with liberty seekers this week? I blame the Glockie-Talkies.)
I think that to understand the political framework of a country where you are going to stay, be it for 2 day, 2 weeks, 3 months, or permanently is a good thing. Whether you vote is in fact a minor aspect. Or quite to the contrary, if you are entitled to vote and elect you ought to take it as a kind of minor responsibility, a minor contribution.

Beside the point that you as a non-voting foreigner may have countless ways to influence things (opinion-polls, discussions in cafés and bars, or in the U.K. participating in putting something up as a topic in the House of Commons, etc)
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The Lega dei Ticinese (to make the difference to the Lega Nord ! ) is in rethorics to the right of the SVP but in reality not half as far to the right as them.
In the words of Giuliano :

"First Lugano, then the Luganese, then the SottoCeneri, then the Ticino, then Switzerland, then Europe, then the rest of the world" (not a conquest of power, simply the relative importance of things) I heard this during a TV interview.

"I don't pay women to sleep with me, I pay them to leave in the morning" I heard this as well during the same interview.

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None of them.

SVP has a party elite that is quite "free-market", but a large part of its voters heavily depend on government subsidies (farmers, inhabitants of the rural regions). As to being conservative, pretty much, yes, if by "conservative" you mean seeking to ban a lot of things that they consider "un-swiss".

The free democrat party is right-wing fringe and practically nonexistent on the cantonal or federal level. They are definitely not "free-market", as their voters are mostly working-class people who want to defend Switzerland against any kind of involvement with the outside world. As to being conservative, they are no different from SVP.

BTW, seeing your avatar, if you like libertarianism, then you will have a hard time finding a party that suits you in Switzerland.
Sorry but the Free Democrats are the FDP !! What you have in mind is the "Freiheits-Partei", the former Auto-Partei
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(Is it just me or are we more-than-usually inundated with liberty seekers this week? I blame the Glockie-Talkies.)
And proud of it! I assume everyone gets issued a gun at Zurich airport on arrival...

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The terms 'conservative', 'liberal', 'radical' and 'socialist' can mean different things to different people. It's probably fair game to say that these terms as applied to Swiss politics do not mean the same thing here as they do to to my red-state relatives back home. Or to the blue-state branch of the family, either.

A is not always A.
Oh, understood. What i meant was, the idea what the likes of Chirac or Sarkozy are "conservative" is really quite amusing. From other comments, it appears that the SVP are more Classical Liberal than modern conservative. Good, good. I know I won't get to vote for them, but I just wanted to see who I would support.

As for the Rand quote, nice

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BTW, seeing your avatar, if you like libertarianism, then you will have a hard time finding a party that suits you in Switzerland.
Cheers. That's disappointing.

More often than not, I think many conservatives (in Europe, USA, etc) get coopted to the subsidy/national champions/selecting winners game, which is anathema to the free market.

We'll be living in Zug/Luzern area, so looking forward to paying little tax...

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From a Tea Partys point of view they are all at least communists.
At, that's more of a Birchers point of view........

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Re: Swiss People's Party & Free Democrat Party

Are you sure switzerland is right for you, it's a libertarian nightmare.

As a foreigner, despite paying taxes, you'll have no vote for many years to come.

The government interfers in many aspects of your life, you're forced to have medical insurance, your poor employers are forced to provide you with accident insurance, contribute to your pension and aren't allowed to fire you at the drop of a hat, they also have to pay for sick leave and holidays, 20 days minimun!

Minimum wages are forced on the labor market by unscrupulous unions, jobless layabouts are given 70% of whatever their previous wage was for up to 2 years, and are still looked after after that.

Many industries are heavily regulated by government gangsters, with the environment readily used as an excuse to tax hard working capitalists.

Citizens who choose not to recycle can actually be fined.

This is only the tip of the iceberg.
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Sorry but the Free Democrats are the FDP !! What you have in mind is the "Freiheits-Partei", the former Auto-Partei
Actually I seem to recall they went back to being the Auto-Partei again. At least out here!
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Are you sure switzerland is right for you, it's a libertarian nightmare.

As a foreigner, despite paying taxes, you'll have no vote for many years to come.

The government interfers in many aspects of your life, you're forced to have medical insurance, your poor employers are forced to provide you with accident insurance, contribute to your pension and aren't allowed to fire you at the drop of a hat, they also have to pay for sick leave and holidays, 20 days minimun!

Minimum wages are forced on the labor market by unscrupulous unions, jobless layabouts are given 70% of whatever their previous wage was for up to 2 years, and are still looked after after that.

Many industries are heavily regulated by government gangsters, with the environment readily used as an excuse to tax hard working capitalists.

Citizens who choose not to recycle can actually be fined.

This is only the tip of the iceberg.
Cyrus, you made my day! Continuing your list could be material for a whole new thread.
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