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You guys might find this interesting...

it is a map based on a survey that shows where nations rank based on sexism and nativism...

See where Switzerland is...not too bad actually, not even by Euro standards...

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn...t-or-nativist/
Interesting, clearly there is a link to institutionalised sexism and countries with orthodox religion/ separatist systems.
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Old 01.02.2011, 19:09
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Re: Women's suffrage in Switzerland

This made me laugh...same source:

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    September 21st, 2010 at 2:47 am I’ve been living in Sweden for somewhat more than a year now. I previously lived in Canada, the USA, and Germany. From those countries, the Swedes are at least in my impression the most backward thinking nation I’ve encountered. Nowhere else have I heard so often the replies “Because we’ve always done it like that.” or “That’s just how we do it in Sweden,” when I inquired about the reason for a particularly dumb procedure or policy. (An example: You won’t get a contract for a phone unless you’ve paid taxes for at least 7 months. WTF, I wonder, is that business of the phone company? And let me not get started about the rental situation in that country, but hey, they’ve always done it like that.) I always want to tell them, if we’d all be thinking that way, we’d still live in the stone age. But then, the Swedes are way too polite to tolerate my bickering.
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Re: Women's suffrage in Switzerland

Few things don't add up....
Swiss men weak, Swiss women strong, what's your take?
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Re: Women's suffrage in Switzerland

Crush those small minded little men.

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meh, men prefer their cars anyways
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And Appenzell Innerrhoden didn't give women the vote at Cantonal level until 1990 ...
They did not give it to the women, it was enforced on by the federation...
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This made me laugh...same source:

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    September 21st, 2010 at 2:47 am I’ve been living in Sweden for somewhat more than a year now. I previously lived in Canada, the USA, and Germany. From those countries, the Swedes are at least in my impression the most backward thinking nation I’ve encountered. Nowhere else have I heard so often the replies “Because we’ve always done it like that.” or “That’s just how we do it in Sweden,” when I inquired about the reason for a particularly dumb procedure or policy. (An example: You won’t get a contract for a phone unless you’ve paid taxes for at least 7 months. WTF, I wonder, is that business of the phone company? And let me not get started about the rental situation in that country, but hey, they’ve always done it like that.) I always want to tell them, if we’d all be thinking that way, we’d still live in the stone age. But then, the Swedes are way too polite to tolerate my bickering.
What does this have to do with nativism and sexism...?

Sweden is one of the most self-critical country on this earth, here in Switzerland when you critic something people get upset and take it personal. In Sweden, we think a second before reacting emotionally, and we definately not get rude and start howling...

It's only due to self-critisism and self-objectivity that you can evolve as a country.

Only some years back our national holiday was "red" = dont have to work. We are not a very patriotic country only when it comes to sport!

And do not get me started on the whole women situation...swedish men have been castrated ages ago.

Of course there are many things Sweden what I still dislike...but it's the most average country in the world seen from all aspects...

But hey, it comes down to your personal preferences...it's not for everyone...
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.but it's the most average country in the world seen from all aspects...
At least not in terms of offshoring @ your own place, your Swedish city, Malmö, is about to become a foreign labour city.

Soon you'll start reading the signs in the shops: "We also speak Swedish".
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At least not in terms of offshoring @ your own place, your Swedish city, Malmö, is about to become a foreign labour city.

Soon you'll start reading the signs in the shops: "We also speak Swedish".
In Malmö it does not matter since nobody understands the Swedish spoken there anyway...
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Re: Women's suffrage in Switzerland

Thanks for the posters in the original post. Isn't it amazing how things move on in some ways and stay firmly stuck in others.

I remember our work doctor (Swiss guy, 50 something) saying to me when I was pregnant with my 2nd child, "so you will be stopping work then now". It wasn't a question, more an assumption.

Once I had picked my jaw up off the floor I thanked him gently for his input and ran away as fast as my 7 month pregnant legs could carry me.

Now I have 3 kids and balance working and being a mother just fine (and he would probably have a coronary thinking about how my kids will obviously grow to psychologically damage, axe murderers).

I chose to move over the border to France, where the system is set up for working mums. Let's see how much reform Sarky brings to change that, but for the moment it works for me!
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Re: Women's suffrage in Switzerland

Yes, 40 years ago on 7th february swiss men gave women the rights for voting. Big improvements since then in switzerland, but still some archaic thinking left if we judge by the most recent statement of swiss banker Josef Ackermann on the benefit of having women in executive board: it will be more colourful and prettier.
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In Malmö it does not matter since nobody understands the Swedish spoken there anyway...
Indeed Sweden is like German-Switzerland with dialects every 50km or so. And Skane given its history can be quite Danish in outlook as it's only part of Sweden since 300+ years and Copenhagen is closer than Stockholm.
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Yes, 40 years ago on 7th february swiss men gave women the rights for voting. Big improvements since then in switzerland, but still some archaic thinking left if we judge by the most recent statement of swiss banker Josef Ackermann on the benefit of having women in executive board: it will be more colourful and prettier.
Interesting that despite being 44% of Staff, women are only 13% of leadership there. Is Josef proposing anything concrete about this?
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Re: Women's suffrage in Switzerland

Sweden has unfortunately gone too far. As a man, you can no longer expect a fair trial in Sweden. Something Assange will have to experience if he is extradited to Sweden. It is an interesting fact that the Skeleton argument of his defense is actually presenting numerous examples of where Sweden is in breach of the European Court of Human Rights (e.g. point 65, page 27)


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What does this have to do with nativism and sexism...?

Sweden is one of the most self-critical country on this earth, here in Switzerland when you critic something people get upset and take it personal. In Sweden, we think a second before reacting emotionally, and we definately not get rude and start howling...

It's only due to self-critisism and self-objectivity that you can evolve as a country.

Only some years back our national holiday was "red" = dont have to work. We are not a very patriotic country only when it comes to sport!

And do not get me started on the whole women situation...swedish men have been castrated ages ago.

Of course there are many things Sweden what I still dislike...but it's the most average country in the world seen from all aspects...

But hey, it comes down to your personal preferences...it's not for everyone...
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What does this have to do with nativism and sexism...?

Sweden is one of the most self-critical country on this earth, here in Switzerland when you critic something people get upset and take it personal. In Sweden, we think a second before reacting emotionally, and we definately not get rude and start howling...

It's only due to self-critisism and self-objectivity that you can evolve as a country.

Only some years back our national holiday was "red" = dont have to work. We are not a very patriotic country only when it comes to sport!

And do not get me started on the whole women situation...swedish men have been castrated ages ago.

Of course there are many things Sweden what I still dislike...but it's the most average country in the world seen from all aspects...

But hey, it comes down to your personal preferences...it's not for everyone...
I think you didn't get the joke, the citation actually lists all the main pet peeves people list here, just switch the name of the country to CH, funny how close that is too, Sweden/Suisse, people sometimes mistaken one for another...

Anyways. I actually think SW is a lot further than we are here, their family support, power to the wenches and over all national spirit seems a lot more modern (parental leave longer than here, fathers are taking it, the situ with school hours and availability of day care, etc etc) but as far as I have experienced that was all over Scandinavia, not only SW. But the taxes hurt there, don't they.

Back to girls. I am not sure how was fem. suffrage forced on the medieval cantons. If so, it was about time...
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Another proof why this newspaper shouldn't serve for anything else than fuel for the fire place:


"Als meine Ehefrau vor 2 Jahrzehnten einwanderte bemerkte sie, als erstes, dass Frauen in der Schweiz Männerschuhe tragen.
Da sich nun Emanzen Gleichstellerinnen und Weltverbesserinnen etabliert haben,und Kinderlose Lesben Alleinstehende und Geschiedene für Familienpolitik in Seldwyla zuständig sind, baden junge Frauen diese unappetitliche Suppe aus
Eine Frau hat heute noch etwa 2 Jahrzehnte Zeit, ihr Leben zu organisieren
Beruf Selbstverwirklichung Familie Karriere von ca 20 bis ca 35 unter den weltoffenen Hut zu bringen mag ja noch nett sein... Scheitern allerdings bezahlt die Allgemeinheit"

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THIS newspaper until 2000 was social-liberal left-of-centre, but then in 2001 was bought by Mr Tettamanti, who hired Mr Köppel who moved the paper to the far right very swiftly. Köppel left in 2004 but returned in 2006 and purchased the paper entirely and made it into the Blocher Court Journal !
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I am not sure how was fem. suffrage forced on the medieval cantons. If so, it was about time...
Wasn't it the women in the "medieval cantons" who swung the vote in the recent minaret initiative?
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Yes. The ones who believe that minarets are black dresses....
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Yes. The ones who believe that minarets are black dresses....
So women in those cantons may be seen as something of a reactionary influence?
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No, a side effect of something hard to describe ..
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