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Are Greeks paying for their own debts?

Are the Greeks stupid?

You'd love the Greek way of thinking. It's as anti-government and anti-EU as any I've ever seen.
Yeah, it's so anti-government that it have a zillion laws and its so anti-EU that it sucking the Euro for everything it can at the expense of other relatively fiscally responsible countries such as Germany.
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Along the lines. I think Switzerland needs its franc and Greece needs its whatever. Drachma. Just a currency of its own.
It had one. Then the Greeks saw an opportunity to share their somewhat independent way of handling money with their former enemies in the north, and leapt at the chance.

The Germans are now paying, and the Greeks are grinning from ear to ear.

They play the long game, the Greeks do. Just ask the Trojans.
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Are you telling me that we should make a role-model of Greek economics?
I'm sorry. Come again?
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Along the lines. I think Switzerland needs its franc and Greece needs its whatever. Drachma. Just a currency of its own.
*Yawn*

Is it time for dinner yet?
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Yeah, it's so anti-government that it have a zillion laws
... to which nobody pays any attention.


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and its so anti-EU that it sucking the Euro for everything it can at the expense of other relatively fiscally responsible countries such as Germany.
Er, yeah. Naked self-interest in its purest and most beautiful form.

Please keep up, old chap.
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It had one. Then the Greeks saw an opportunity to share their somewhat independent way of handling money with their former enemies in the north, and leapt at the chance.

The Germans are now paying, and the Greeks are grinning from ear to ear.

They play the long game, the Greeks do. Just ask the Trojans.
That is my point. The Greeks are benefiting from the weaknesses in the euro/EU. How can they be anti-EU?
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They play the long game, the Greeks do. Just ask the Trojans.
The Trojans run a profitable profilactic firm . . . And where are the Greeks, eh?
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Along the lines. I think Switzerland needs its franc and Greece needs its whatever. Drachma. Just a currency of its own.
Do you not think Greece would be way up shit creek if they had their own currency and weren't part of the EU?
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... to which nobody pays any attention.




Er, yeah. Naked self-interest in its purest and most beautiful form.

Please keep up, old chap.
Yes, I have kept up, that is why I am saying that Greece is not opposed to the EU, because of their "nake self-interest".
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Yeah, it's so anti-government that it have a zillion laws
You say that like it's a bad thing.




...which reinforces my previously expressed conviction that Switzerland is probably not the place for you.
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That is my point. The Greeks are benefiting from the weaknesses in the euro/EU. How can they be anti-EU?
You really are quite the innocent little bird, aren't you?

The Greeks are screwing the EU for every cent they can. They also happen to utterly despise the EU and everything it stands for.

You know, like a maid who steals from her employer?

I thought you said you weren't opposed to "civil disobedience"? Well, the Greeks do it on a continental scale.
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You say that like it's a bad thing.




...which strengthens my conviction that Switzerland is probably not the place for you.
I do believe that it is a bad thing, but that does not mean I have to live in my own little minimal-law-paradise, which doesn't exist by the way.
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Why not. What do you suggest the US Dollar maybe??
Greece along with some other countries should not have been allowed to join the EU currency union in the first place.Investors wrongly assumed that once a country was in the EU, the investment risk would be the same for all countries.
So the high interest rate countries borrowed beyond their means, and the low interest rates financed them. The problem with the Euro is the lack of flexibility the individual countries have in controlling the currency. The euro will need to have greater fiscal integration, or it will end.
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I do believe that it is a bad thing, but that does not mean I have to live in my own little minimal-law-paradise, which doesn't exist by the way.
Er, it does.

It's called Greece.

You really aren't paying attention, are you?
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Re: Swiss Euroskepticism

My girlfriend used to live in Texas and when she landed in Zürich for the first time she felt a palpable sense of restriction.

Mind you, when I visited Texas I found there to be some weird restrictions (what's with the bar closing times???) and also a sense of a curb on my freedom that didn't necessarily come from government.

It's a mix in most places and quite particular to the culture, government and the things which you find important.
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You really are quite the innocent little bird, aren't you?

The Greeks are screwing the EU for every cent they can. They also happen to utterly despise the EU and everything it stands for.

You know, like a maid who steals from her employer?

I thought you said you weren't opposed to "civil disobedience"? Well, the Greeks do it on a continental scale.
In the end, I think it only makes sense that Greece is happy with the way their involvement with the EU panned out. Using my own words against me out of context, doesn't prove anything. I said I wasn't opposed in certain forms. You make me out to be some liberal Frenchman who riots because the taxpayers wont pay for my pension at the ripe old age of 35.
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I do believe that it is a bad thing, but that does not mean I have to live in my own little minimal-law-paradise, which doesn't exist by the way.
Yeah, but all else being equal you will probably be happier in a place that at least approximates it. Even a little bit.

News flash: Switzerland doesn't.


Which is not to say you couldn't be happy here anyway - say if you were a fairly apolitical, keep-your-head-down type who just likes to look at mountains. That is not really the impression I'm getting though.
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Greece along with some other countries should not have been allowed to join the EU currency union in the first place.Investors wrongly assumed that once a country was in the EU, the investment risk would be the same for all countries.
So the high interest rate countries borrowed beyond their means, and the low interest rates financed them. The problem with the Euro is the lack of flexibility the individual countries have in controlling the currency. The euro will need to have greater fiscal integration, or it will end.
I completely agree. This is what makes me side with independent currencies.
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Do you not think Greece would be way up shit creek if they had their own currency and weren't part of the EU?
Not necessarily.
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Yeah, but all else being equal you will probably be happier in a place that at least approximates it. Even a little bit.

News flash: Switzerland doesn't.


Which is not to say you couldn't be happy here anyway - say if you were a fairly apolitical, keep-your-head-down type who just likes to look at mountains. That is not really the impression I'm getting though.
To me, it's a God thing.

And I know I don't like keeping my head down, but I do like to look at mountains.
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