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Actually I am going to Switzerland within the next few months. Although I take your warning on people's taste to Swiss atmosphere, I, without a doubt, am certain that it tastes good to me.

I am having trouble finding this article of yours. Could you provide a link?
Aw, bless. Yep, I was pretty sure I knew what Switzerland was like too, before ever setting foot here. Guess what? I was just about right in some ways, hopelessly wrong in others. You probably are too.

Whether the bits you're wrong about are fairly insignificant or significant enough to make your life a living hell if you were to move here.... well, who knows? Keep an open mind when you visit; that's about all I can say. Listen especially hard to anything that challenges your preconceptions. If you're in/around Zurich come to an EF meetup and I'll be glad to talk to you about my experiences (as will any number of other people, I'm sure.)

In a nutshell though: does the idea of communal rather than individual liberty sit well with you? Cause that's the kind of "liberty" the Swiss are all about. Your community can do whatever it wants - and you can do whatever your community decides is the proper thing to do. Think old New England - Puritanism minus the blue laws.
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Aw, bless. Yep, I was pretty sure I knew what Switzerland was like too, before ever setting foot here. Guess what? I was right in some ways, wrong in others. You probably are too.

Whether the bits you're wrong about are fairly insignificant or significant enough to make your life a living hell if you were to move here.... well, who knows? Keep an open mind when you visit; that's about all I can say. Listen especially hard to anything that challenges your preconceptions. If you're in/around Zurich come to an EF meetup and I'll be glad to talk to you about my experiences (as will any number of other people, I'm sure.)

In a nutshell though: does the idea of communal rather than individual liberty sit well with you? Cause that's the kind of "liberty" the Swiss are all about. Your community can do whatever it wants - and you can do whatever your community decides is the proper thing to do. Think old New England - Puritanism minus the blue laws.
I'm not sure about the communal liberty instead of individual, but I know that I agree with many of the politics. Once I become a citizen, it's not as though I won't have a voice in the government. Also, nowhere is perfect.
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In a nutshell though: does the idea of communal rather than individual liberty sit well with you? Cause that's the kind of "liberty" the Swiss are all about. Your community can do whatever it wants - and you can do whatever your community decides is the proper thing to do. Think old New England - Puritanism minus the blue laws.
sums it up pretty well, IMO
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sums it up pretty well, IMO
Does me being a libertarian help to understand whether or not I will enjoy the Swiss taste?
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I'm not sure about the communal liberty instead of individual, but I know that I agree with many of the politics. Once I become a citizen, it's not as though I won't have a voice in the government. Also, nowhere is perfect.
I'm curious. How old are you, and where did you learn what you know about Switzerland from?
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Once I become a citizen
That's pretty presumptious of you. What makes you think they'd accept you, or even allow you into the country? Or do you, as your name implies, have Swiss ancestry? Even then it's not quite so straightforward.
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That's pretty presumptious of you. What makes you think they'd accept you, or even allow you into the country? Or do you, as your name implies, have Swiss ancestry? Even then it's not quite so straightforward.
I apologize for making this assumption. I should have chosen my words more carefully.
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Re: Swiss Euroskepticism

a seceding libertarian who puts his success under the will of God.

are u some sor t of fusionism advocate???
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I'm curious. How old are you, and where did you learn what you know about Switzerland from?
I am a college student and I get most of my information from various website and articles. If my what I have learned or inferred about Switzerland appears to be inaccurate, I am more than open to any further insight.
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Re: Swiss Euroskepticism

In actual fact Swtzerland is not "100%" Eurosceptic. Swiss German cantons are traditionally anti EU, whereas Swiss Roamnde and Ticino are generally pro EU. I think the last referendum on the matter was pretty close, no?

By referendum, I'm referring on the vote to join the EU. Early 90's no? Just before I got here anyway.
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Re: Swiss Euroskepticism

Are you American, and have Swiss parent(s)? From your posts I think you would fit in well here. I don't think most Swiss think of the possible economic benefits of remaining Euroskeptic, but view it from a more nationalistic view point. In the long run the concept of the EU is doomed for failure, unless there is a more unified political state, but most of the countries would not want to give up their national identity. In the US there is currency and political union, which is one of the main strengths that the US has over Europe. Countries like Iceland who have control over the own currency are in a better position then EU countries like Ireland for example, who have no control. The EU is a grand concept, but things will have to change soon, if it is to continue.
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a seceding libertarian who puts his success under the will of God.

are u some sor t of fusionism advocate???
I suppose that could be an accurate diagnosis. I am not too familiar with fusionism.
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I apologize for making this assumption. I should have chosen my words more carefully.
That's OK. As long as you don't live in Fribourg, he won't be able to vote against you joining.

If you are going to work here - as a Dr - you may also wish to reconsider the assumption that your US MD will be automatically valid to practice here, especially if you are considering a particular speciality.

You'll also need to brush up on those language skills: German, French, or both. No Swissie is going to want to have to speak English to see their doctor.

That is all, however, based on assumptions on my part.
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Does me being a libertarian help to understand whether or not I will enjoy the Swiss taste?
Yes; you almost certainly won't.

Read these threads:
Social Liberalism in Switzerland?
Bill O'Reilly of Fox News Praises Switzerland
Civil liberties in Switzerland
http://www.englishforum.ch/internati...ise#post517481
Swiss People's Party & Free Democrat Party

and these for good measure:
Absolutely disgusted with American politics and the state of living here....
Registration in Switzerland
Questions About Immigrating to Switzerland

and then come back and ask some more questions.
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In actual fact Swtzerland is not "100%" Eurosceptic. Swiss German cantons are traditionally anti EU, whereas Swiss Roamnde and Ticino are generally pro EU. I think the last referendum on the matter was pretty close, no?

By referendum, I'm referring on the vote to join the EU. Early 90's no? Just before I got here anyway.
I did not say that Switzerland was "100%" euroskeptic. I said they were 100% correct for this.
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Yes; you won't.

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and then come back and ask some more questions.

O'reilly praising Ch makes me want to cry....
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When someone says they are a libertarian, what conclusions do you form?
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That's OK. As long as you don't live in Fribourg, he won't be able to vote against you joining.
Yeah! Bloody foreigners, coming here, eating our food, scrounging off welfare etc etc rant rant rant

Oh, hang on....
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When someone says they are a libertarian, what conclusions do you form?
You work in a library?
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That's OK. As long as you don't live in Fribourg, he won't be able to vote against you joining.

If you are going to work here - as a Dr - you may also wish to reconsider the assumption that your US MD will be automatically valid to practice here, especially if you are considering a particular speciality.

You'll also need to brush up on those language skills: German, French, or both. No Swissie is going to want to have to speak English to see their doctor.

That is all, however, based on assumptions on my part.
I have looked into the Dr. thing in Switzerland, and I understand the language barrier. I have been trying to learn German for a few years now. Also I don't need to be reminded about the diversity of Schweizerdeutsch from Hochdeutsch.
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