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Yeah! Bloody foreigners, coming here, eating our food, scrounging off welfare etc etc rant rant rant

Oh, hang on....


How's the - doubtless - foreign-inflicted scar bearing up?

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I have looked into the Dr. thing in Switzerland, and I understand the language barrier. I have been trying to learn German for a few years now. Also I don't need to be reminded about the diversity of Schweizerdeutsch from Hochdeutsch.
That's a start.

If you'd done some more research, you'd also have discovered that dentistry (vs. medicine) is the way to make real money in CH.
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Old 02.02.2011, 14:04
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Does me being a libertarian help to understand whether or not I will enjoy the Swiss taste?
Depends on what exactly you mean by "being a libertarian". If your definition is "freedom of thought and action" then yes - Switzerland is a free country where individuals or groups of individuals have the constitutional right to attempt to move mountains. They may not always succeed, but they have the right to make the attempt and to speak out.

If your definition extends to doing away with government and/or state regulation etc. then no - you'll probably be very unhappy here. Switzerland is like a bit of well oiled machinery with occasional glitches, but on the whole things run pretty smoothly IF YOU BIDE BY THE RULES. As a side note, most of those rules were made by the people themselves, so most (not all) are quite happy to adhere to them.
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Are you American, and have Swiss parent(s)? From your posts I think you would fit in well here. I don't think most Swiss think of the possible economic benefits of remaining Euroskeptic, but view it from a more nationalistic view point. In the long run the concept of the EU is doomed for failure, unless there is a more unified political state, but most of the countries would not want to give up their national identity. In the US there is currency and political union, which is one of the main strengths that the US has over Europe. Countries like Iceland who have control over the own currency are in a better position then EU countries like Ireland for example, who have no control. The EU is a grand concept, but things will have to change soon, if it is to continue.
In my opinion, I do not find the EU to be a grand idea. Nor the Euro. Looking at Greek economics and this over-encumbered currency leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
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Old 02.02.2011, 14:06
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How's the - doubtless - foreign-inflicted scar bearing up?



That's a start.

If you'd done some more research, you'd also have discovered that dentistry (vs. medicine) is the way to make real money in CH.
So far, I have not run across this fact. But if more concrete evidence presents itself, I may have to rethink my medical aspirations.
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What does the word "curtain-twitcher" mean to you, Mr Blut?

Does the thought of being surrounded by people who keep telescopes pointed at each other's windows appeal to you?

What about being compelled to recycle glass, paper &c, refusal to do which will result in a fine?

Are you happy with conforming to local community regulations which tell you when you can mow your lawn, when you can play your guitar, when you can host a barbecue party?

Do you like to shower or flush your lavatory after 22:00?
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In my opinion, I do not find the EU to be a grand idea. Nor the Euro.
Good job you don't live in the EU, then, isn't it?
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Old 02.02.2011, 14:09
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Are you American, and have Swiss parent(s)? From your posts I think you would fit in well here.
I am an American, but sadly my Swiss blood runs deeper in the family tree (surely, not recent enough to obtain swift citizenship). I am glad you think I would fit in.
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Good job you don't live in the EU, then, isn't it?
This is a good thing.
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Old 02.02.2011, 14:12
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What does the word "curtain-twitcher" mean to you, Mr Blut?

Does the thought of being surrounded by people who keep telescopes pointed at each other's windows appeal to you?

What about being compelled to recycle glass, paper &c, refusal to do which will result in a fine?

Are you happy with conforming to local community regulations which tell you when you can mow your lawn, when you can play your guitar, when you can host a barbecue party?

Do you like to shower or flush your lavatory after 22:00?
I respect the rights of these twitchers as much as I respect my right to keep my curtains drawn. As for the other issues, I am not entirely opposed to certain forms of civil disobedience. And I do plan to make my mark on Swiss politics should the opportunity present itself.
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Depends on what exactly you mean by "being a libertarian". If your definition is "freedom of thought and action" then yes - Switzerland is a free country where individuals or groups of individuals have the constitutional right to attempt to move mountains. They may not always succeed, but they have the right to make the attempt and to speak out.

If your definition extends to doing away with government and/or state regulation etc. then no - you'll probably be very unhappy here. Switzerland is like a bit of well oiled machinery with occasional glitches, but on the whole things run pretty smoothly IF YOU BIDE BY THE RULES. As a side note, most of those rules were made by the people themselves, so most (not all) are quite happy to adhere to them.
I suppose my definition of libertarian includes a bit of both of your examples. But I do not support total anarchy, merely a minimal amount of government, as possible.
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I am not entirely opposed to certain forms of civil disobedience.
Unfortunately for you, the indigenous Swiss are.
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Unfortunately for you, the indigenous Swiss are.
I think it's safe to say that all governments are.
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Old 02.02.2011, 14:18
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I think it's safe to say that all governments are.
he said indigenous swiss, not indigenous swiss politicians
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Old 02.02.2011, 14:19
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I am an American, but sadly my Swiss blood runs deeper in the family tree (surely, not recent enough to obtain swift citizenship). I am glad you think I would fit in.
Realistically then, you would have to obtain a visa/permit to live and work in Switzerland, and live in one place for many years before you could apply for Swiss citizenship. Or get married to a Swiss and live here at least 5 years, and be married for at least three.
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Old 02.02.2011, 14:19
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In my opinion, I do not find the EU to be a grand idea. Nor the Euro. Looking at Greek economics and this over-encumbered currency leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Time will tell whether the EU is a grand idea or not. But europe as a union has certainly a bigger say when it comes to international politics - compared to small single states.

About your aspirations to become swiss: you're in a different positions that the majority of forum member who came here for work or love and not because they think switzerland is the best country in the world.
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And I do plan to make my mark on Swiss politics should the opportunity present itself.

Oo, can't wait. Can you?

Do some research on naturalisation requirements before you answer.
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In actual fact Swtzerland is not "100%" Eurosceptic. Swiss German cantons are traditionally anti EU, whereas Swiss Roamnde and Ticino are generally pro EU. I think the last referendum on the matter was pretty close, no?
By referendum, I'm referring on the vote to join the EU. Early 90's no? Just before I got here anyway.
Even today support for joining the EU is thought to be roughly a quarter in the Swiss German part and about a third in the Romandie.
Thus Mr.Blocher's claims that "true Swiss vote SVP and are against the EU" reminds me of McCarthyism's accusations of 'un-Americanism'.
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Realistically then, you would have to obtain a visa/permit to live and work in Switzerland, and live in one place for many years before you could apply for Swiss citizenship. Or get married to a Swiss and live here at least 5 years, and be married for at least three.
If it's God's will, then I will accomplish all that is necessary to reside and become a citizen of that great country.
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Oo, can't wait. Can you?

Do some research on naturalisation requirements before you answer.
Zeughaus Keller would be a good place for the putsch.
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