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Pan-Germanic consciousness in Switzerland?

I thought I'd ask for Schweizerblut, as he obviously hasn't had time to get round to it yet.

So... is there any, or does the vehement hatred the Swiss hold towards the Germans preclude any possibility of subracial reunification at any time in the next millennium?

How would a Swiss nationalist greet an American or British pan-Germanist, were he and his friends to meet one outside a kebab shop or in the train station?

And how well would a Stormfront t-shirt go with white tennis shoes?
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Old 03.02.2011, 19:49
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Re: Pan-Germanic consciousness in Switzerland?

Sorry, but living in Ticino, ALL German speakers are invaders (or tourists)!

Those from 'Svizzera Interna' are preferred however.

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P.S. While the literal translation of 'Svizzera Interna' is 'Innerschweiz', what it actually means is 'the whole of German-speaking Switzerland' (we just lump them all together).
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Sorry, but living in Ticino, ALL German speakers are invaders (or tourists)!
What? You mean there are parts of Switzerland which are not Germanic?

Has anybody told Schweizerblut yet?
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Re: Pan-Germanic consciousness in Switzerland?

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I thought I'd ask for Schweizerblut, as he obviously hasn't had time to get round to it yet.

So... is there any, or does the vehement hatred the Swiss hold towards the Germans preclude any possibility of subracial reunification at any time in the next millennium?

How would a Swiss nationalist greet an American or British pan-Germanist, were he and his friends to meet one outside a kebab shop or in the train station?

And how well would a Stormfront t-shirt go with white tennis shoes?
"Vehement hatred towards the Germans"? Ever seen with whom Swiss tourists on holidays in the Med and elsewhere travel and sit and drink and eat together ? An American or British Pan-Germanist would however be asked about Neo-Nazism !
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Old 03.02.2011, 19:58
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I thought I'd ask for Schweizerblut, as he obviously hasn't had time to get round to it yet.

So... is there any, or does the vehement hatred the Swiss hold towards the Germans preclude any possibility of subracial reunification at any time in the next millennium?

How would a Swiss nationalist greet an American or British pan-Germanist, were he and his friends to meet one outside a kebab shop or in the train station?

And how well would a Stormfront t-shirt go with white tennis shoes?
  • no; yes
  • "grüzi, aarschloch"
  • depends on what colour the socks are

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"Vehement hatred towards the Germans"? Ever seen with whom Swiss tourists on holidays in the Med and elsewhere travel and sit and drink and eat together ? An American or British Pan-Germanist would however be asked about Neo-Nazism !
So who's been writing "Deutsche raus!" all over the walls of my local railway station, then?
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What? You mean there are parts of Switzerland which are not Germanic?
We've been all invaded by the Germanic tribes, but some were kind enough to learn the local language.

Strange, that's the same with the expats nowadays....
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Re: Pan-Germanic consciousness in Switzerland?

I don't know what kind of affinity Swiss have towards Germans but I can give you one example when last time we went shopping across the border in Kaufland, I communicated in Hochdeutsch with cashier at the till and all was going well until I forgot to bite my tongue while walking away and uttered "Merci vielmal!" instead of casual "Danke schön!". She looked me in the eyes with expression that would make a grown man cry
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Old 03.02.2011, 20:17
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I don't know what kind of affinity Swiss have towards Germans but I can give you one example when last time we went shopping across the border in Kaufland, I communicated in Hochdeutsch with cashier at the till and all was going well until I forgot to bite my tongue while walking away and uttered "Merci vielmal!" instead of casual "Danke schön!". She looked me in the eyes with expression that would make a grown man cry
I always speak a mish-mash of Swiss-German and regular-German whenever I must speak German, never had a problem, regardless of which country I'm in.

It's not just Swiss-German, in Ticino we use a bunch of words that most Italians don't understand (except those from nearby, or who have lived here).

It works.

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I always speak a mish-mash of Swiss-German and regular-German whenever I must speak German, never had a problem, regardless of which country I'm in.

It's not just Swiss-German, in Ticino we use a bunch of words that most Italians don't understand (except those from nearby, or who have lived here).

It works.

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But do you really think I give two smiles when I speak any sort of German? I was drilled to speak few expressions in local lingo here in Switzerland so I only use "En guete! "grutzi" and "merci" everywhere. I've been trained so well in local cantina and it's difficult to break this habit. It's just impulse in my brain and I cannot switch easily.

From what I see in my working environment is that Swiss only communicate well with Germans while discussing business related matters because of the common language. As soon as you find a bunch of local fellows coming from the same canton they will converse in their local jargon, thus making poor Germans alienated. I think Germans are under tremendous pressure to speak quietly so that Swiss don't hear their explicit Deutsch accent. Otherwise the latter peer and would flip at the notion of it! One time I had colleague from Stuttgart at the table trying to whisper quietly so that he disguised it
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So... is there any, or does the vehement hatred the Swiss hold towards the Germans preclude any possibility of subracial reunification at any time in the next millennium?
These 'subracial reunifications' have happened already - I know of a few brave people who tore down the culture barriers and dared to cohabitat.
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Re: Pan-Germanic consciousness in Switzerland?

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So who's been writing "Deutsche raus!" all over the walls of my local railway station, then?
There in your area are active sections of the SVP, and Mr C. Blocher is almost your neighbour

And to say it again, to be a bit anti-German in Switzerland has been "Bürgerpflicht" for centuries That exactly the Swiss German speakers in case of football matches between Germany and Italy of course heavily support the Italians is one side, that Germans when meeting Swiss-Germans on holidays make sarcastic jokes about exactly this is part of the play. But after the second beer, this problem is solved and even hard-headed SVPlers suddenly realize that they understand German far better than Turkish, Arabic, Greek and Spanish
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But do you really think I give two smiles when I speak any sort of German? I was drilled to speak few expressions in local lingo here in Switzerland so I only use "En guete! "grutzi" and "merci" everywhere. I've been trained so well in local cantina and it's difficult to break this habit. It's just impulse in my brain and I cannot switch easily.

From what I see in my working environment is that Swiss only communicate well with Germans while discussing business related matters because of the common language. As soon as you find a bunch of local fellows coming from the same canton they will converse in their local jargon, thus making poor Germans alienated. I think Germans are under tremendous pressure to speak quietly so that Swiss don't hear their explicit Deutsch accent. Otherwise the latter peer and would flip at the notion of it! One time I had colleague from Stuttgart at the table trying to whisper quietly so that he disguised it
A) Please stop the tears for the "poor Germans" ! Most of them will love to find a bunch of people coming from the same area and then continue in THEIR local jargon
B) The Baden-Württembergers do NOT have an "explicit German" accent, as they mostly are unable to speak Standard-German
C) The colleague from Stuttgart is either a liar or a moron. The Stuttgarter dialect here in Zurich passes through as some kind of Swiss German. So that a real Stuttgarter just can speak HIS dialect and the matter is settled. If your colleague however originally is from "north-of-the-Taunus-Germany" and only lived in Stuttgart for a while, he should make his mind up
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A) Please stop the tears for the "poor Germans" ! Most of them will love to find a bunch of people coming from the same area and then continue in THEIR local jargon
B) The Baden-Württembergers do NOT have an "explicit German" accent, as they mostly are unable to speak Standard-German
C) The colleague from Stuttgart is either a liar or a moron. The Stuttgarter dialect here in Zurich passes through as some kind of Swiss German. So that a real Stuttgarter just can speak HIS dialect and the matter is settled. If your colleague however originally is from "north-of-the-Taunus-Germany" and only lived in Stuttgart for a while, he should make his mind up
A) Longer you stay in CH better you master art of distinguishing between various jargons. Swiss seem to be mortified when they hear something different to their beloved cantonal dialect and run away!

B) However Berliners do! I know for sure as team mate in local club is from that region and his dialect makes Aargauers cry!

C) Liar and moron I'm pretty sure he wouldn't agree uttering few words in guttes Deutsch slang along the line of: "Ah nein" oder "Oh mein Gott, das ist scheise du Arschloch!"

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Surely being Swiss is the Nemesis of all things German ?
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A) Longer you stay in CH better you master art of distinguishing between various jargons. Swiss seem to be mortified when they hear something different to their beloved cantonal dialect and run away!

B) However Berliners do! I know for sure as team mate in local club is from that region and his dialect makes Aargauers cry!

C) Liar and moron I'm pretty sure he wouldn't agree uttering few words in guttes Deutsch slang along the line of: "Ah nein" oder "Oh mein Gott, das ist scheise du Arschloch!"
A) True enough, astonishing is to see that some people never got some real Standard German and so are a bit "challenged" when being forced to use it
B) Berliners of course have a "German accent". But their specific dialect also makes people in Munich, Stuttgart, Köln and Hamburg cry ? The Berlinerish way of torturing German is well known
C) Real Baden-Württembergers cannot speak Standard-German. The one and one time exception was Kurt Georg Kiesinger who made a clear distinction between speaking Shtuggerish and Standard German !

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Ever seen with whom Swiss tourists on holidays in the Med and elsewhere travel and sit and drink and eat together ?
Been there, done that. At 30+ degrees Celsius your drinks are lukewarm once the ususal "Xundheit Ueli - Xundheit Nadine" ritual is finalized at a table of 10 or more. Won't happen again....
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So who's been writing "Deutsche raus!" all over the walls of my local railway station, then?
surely they're addressing the language and not the people?
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Sorry, but living in Ticino, ALL German speakers are invaders (or tourists)!

Those from 'Svizzera Interna' are preferred however.

Tom

P.S. While the literal translation of 'Svizzera Interna' is 'Innerschweiz', what it actually means is 'the whole of German-speaking Switzerland' (we just lump them all together).
I don't think Schweizerblut's ancestry spans the Alps or even the Röstigraben.....

It's an interesting take on the old "live in US but I'm ......." theme. Many American still think they are not American after 8 generations of authentic ......... cooking by Mama.

Anyway, where is Kanton Troll?
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Anyway, where is Kanton Troll?
Perhaps he's busy at ancestry.com, trying to find out if he's related to Derek Obama?
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