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SamC 03.08.2007 12:18

Surely not!
 
Swiss army knives to be made in China ??? ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...140645,00.html

argus 03.08.2007 12:52

Re: Surely not!
 
Oh, that's terrible. (But just so you and I can afford them?)
:o
It's like having Marks & Spencer T-shirts and underwear made in Morocco, and french fries made in the USA.

Blonaybear 03.08.2007 12:52

Re: Surely not!
 
Perhaps it just needs a little creative thinking. The specification should state that the words 'Made In Switzerland' should be engraved on the knives and then sue any company that makes them outside of Switzerland !

Why do I have the feeling that the French would never tolerate anything like this ?

Guest 03.08.2007 12:56

Re: Surely not!
 
Swiss pride is alive and kicking:


Alois Kessler, a lawyer and a former colonel in the Swiss army, has taken up the campaign and launched a nationwide petition, Keep Soldiers' Pocket Knives Swiss!
..."I simply cannot imagine our soldiers carrying a Made in China knife in their knapsacks," he said.

"It would be like us giving them German-made chocolate."


dave

argus 03.08.2007 13:49

Re: Surely not!
 
From the Guardian article:
'It is credited by everyone from balloonists and astronauts to surgeons and pilots with saving lives and is the official pocket knife for 16 armies around the world, including the US military.



'It has also prompted many jokes, perceived as it is as the weapon of choice for the military of neutral Switzerland. The US comedian Robin Williams once quipped: "How can you trust an army that has a wine opener on its knife?" '




If the US military can use it, then that shows the knife is seen as a useful tool -- not a symbol of nationalism or whatever.

It's chuckle-inducing though to see the right-wing politicians get their knickers in a twist over it.


The Swiss Army then has to decide -- are they keeping it because it's useful or because it's an important national symbol? If Taiwan, Bulgaria or China can make it well at a fraction of the price, why not buy it from there (even though it feels all wrong)? Economics or Swiss pride is on the balance - which way will it tip?


Anyone else has a similar feeling that the Swiss Army will strike a compromise with Victorinox or another Swiss manufacturer?

Blonaybear 03.08.2007 20:50

Re: Surely not!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by argus (Post 89219)
It's chuckle-inducing though to see the right-wing politicians get their knickers in a twist over it.

But perhaps not so chuckle-inducing if your job depended on it.

Guest 03.08.2007 21:01

Re: Surely not!
 
The thing here is that the swiss knife is a symbol of the country's pride. Military equipment is in many countries exempt from usual tendering procedure. I suspect a face-saving compromise will be worked out on these grounds. At the end of the day, it is the responsibility of the swiss procurement executive to get the best equipment possible within spec and constraints on budget, wherever it comes from. Knives are approaching commodity status and have little in terms of maintenance or logistics to worry about. I remember reading a similar discussion recently about army uniforms...

dave


Quote:

Originally Posted by argus (Post 89219)
From the Guardian article:
'It is credited by everyone from balloonists and astronauts to surgeons and pilots with saving lives and is the official pocket knife for 16 armies around the world, including the US military.



'It has also prompted many jokes, perceived as it is as the weapon of choice for the military of neutral Switzerland. The US comedian Robin Williams once quipped: "How can you trust an army that has a wine opener on its knife?" '




If the US military can use it, then that shows the knife is seen as a useful tool -- not a symbol of nationalism or whatever.

It's chuckle-inducing though to see the right-wing politicians get their knickers in a twist over it.


The Swiss Army then has to decide -- are they keeping it because it's useful or because it's an important national symbol? If Taiwan, Bulgaria or China can make it well at a fraction of the price, why not buy it from there (even though it feels all wrong)? Economics or Swiss pride is on the balance - which way will it tip?


Anyone else has a similar feeling that the Swiss Army will strike a compromise with Victorinox or another Swiss manufacturer?



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