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Val d'Anniviers Airplane Crash * update *

Five people have died in the crash of a private plane in Switzerland when it crashed earlier today , local police said.

"There were several victims," said Markus Rieder, spokesman for the cantonal police of Valais. "Fewer than 10." The aircraft was presumed to have been a private plane, he said.

According to the Swiss newspaper Blick's website, the bi-motor Beechcraft airplane crashed at around 6:45 a.m. EST in the Val d'Anniviers, some 110 km (68 miles) east of Geneva.

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Re: Val d'Anniviers Airplane Crash * update *

Not a good time to be in a plane, similar accident happend in Cork( Ireland) yesterday when a plane crashed and flipped..
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Not a good time to be in a plane, similar accident happend in Cork( Ireland) yesterday when a plane crashed and flipped..
Similar? One was an airliner (small, but commercial nonetheless) and the other was private. One was actually aiming at the runway and one hit a mountain.
Just how similar were these two accidents? Ok, they both had propellors...Not a good time to be in a plane?
You should try and get a job with the Daily Mail.....
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Similar? One was an airliner (small, but commercial nonetheless) and the other was private. One was actually aiming at the runway and one hit a mountain.
Just how similar were these two accidents? Ok, they both had propellors...Not a good time to be in a plane?
You should try and get a job with the Daily Mail.....
Well, similar in as much as it was a plane crash ...
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Re: Val d'Anniviers Airplane Crash * update *

Indeed..similar as crashed and people died.. djees
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Re: Val d'Anniviers Airplane Crash * update *

As a pilot I think the comparison is fairly stupid, but whatever......
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As a pilot I think the comparison is fairly stupid, but whatever......
As not being a pilot i was just saying that a deadly accident happened yesterday in Ireland also.. i didn't go into detail..

It crashed and people sadly enough passed away = similar to us "common folk " who are not pilots..

But here you go, for people who want to nitpick and compare who died how ( the tragedy on the side for who is a pilot), read ..

Cork Airport Plane Crash yesterday
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SIX PEOPLE are confirmed dead following this morning’s crash involving a Manx Airline commuter plane at Cork Airport.
No names of the dead have yet been released. RTE is reporting that British, Irish and Spanish passport holders were on board the plane.
Tom O’Sullivan, communications officer with Cork County Council, confirmed that six other people were taken to hospital. None of them are critically injured.
Four of the six have serious injuries, and two were suffering soft tissue injuries, according to Dr Gerry McCarthy from Cork University Hospital. One of the survivors has been named as Donal Walsh, a graduate of Waterford Institute of Technology.
In an interview with RTE Radio’s News at One, he said he was hopeful they would all survive.
A total of 12 people were on board the flight – ten passengers and two pilots. There was heavy fog in the area at the time of the crash.
Eamonn Brennan of the IAA said the aircraft, a Fairchild Metor Liner with flight number BPS 7100, had departed Belfast at 12 minutes past 8, and would have been due in Cork at 9.10am.
There was a category 2 fog in the area at the time. He told RTE Radio that the plane tried to approach two other runways, before attempting a third approach on Runway 17. “It crashed on the Western side of the runway,” he said.
Visibility was very poor but all of the instruments were functioning properly, he added.
“It wouldn’t have been anything more than normal circumstances for Cork.”
A spokesman for the Dublin Airport Authority has confirmed that the emergency services are on the scene, and the Cork Airport Major Emergency Plan was activated at 10.18, and stood down at 11.04am. A total of eight ambulances and a number of fire engines were diverted to the scene.
The fire on the plane had been extinguished by 10.40am, but the plane is still upside down with its nose dug into the ground.
A statement from the Irish Aviation Authority said:

Flight Avia No FLT400C a metroliner SW4 with ten passengers and two crew has crashed at Cork Airport. No details of injuries or fatalities are available. The aircraft made an approach to Runway 17 in low vis conditions (Category 2) and went around and did not land and attempted a second landing on Runway 35. The aircraft then went around a second time and came back for an approach to Runway 17. On the second approach to Runway 17 the aircraft crashed adjacent to Taxiway C. Rescue and Fire crew are in attendance. There is a fire and debris has been scattered onto the runway and over a wide area. The accident will be investigated by the Air Accident Unit of the Dept. of Transport. This correct at this time and may be amended as more detail becomes available.
Cork Airport issued a statement at midday, saying that all casualties had been taken to Cork University Hospital.
Cork Airport can confirm that there was a crash this morning at Cork Airport involving an inbound Manx2 flight from Belfast to Cork, flight number NM7100. The plane was due to land at Cork Airport at 09:45 hours. The emergency services are on site. All casualties are being transferred to Cork University Hospital. Cork Airport is now closed and will be closed until further notice.
In a statement, the Dublin Airport Authority said that following the “very serious incident” passengers awaiting flights to and from Dublin and Cork Airport should contact their airline before coming to Dublin Airport.
Captain Michael McLoughlin of the pilots’ association, IALPA, said he couldn’t comment pending the investigations into the accident, but added:

We extend our sympathies to the families of anybody who was killed or injured in this morning’s accident.
The chief executive of Belfast City Airport Brian Ambrose said in a press conference his thoughts and prayers are with the families of those affected and that staff of Belfast airport would be liasing closely with families of those affected. He said the passenger list was now with the PSNI.
Bishop of Cork and Ross John Buckley is at Cork airport, where he is assisting the families.
Ryanair has expressed its deepest sympathy and has contacted Manx2, the IAA and Cork Airport Authority and Belfast City Airport to offer any assistance it can.
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As a pilot I think the comparison is fairly stupid, but whatever......
As a pilot, I am sure your aerial omnipotence allows you to be capable of giving us mere Earth-strapped mortals a break when we see it as similar.

Ever heard of "Pilot Error" ?

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Re: Val d'Anniviers Airplane Crash * update *

Well I wouldn't normally, but I just might make an exception in this case....
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Re: Val d'Anniviers Airplane Crash * update *

I don't get the internet persona of some people! 2 horrible plane crashes in 2 different countries within the same week where people have lost their lives, family members have lost loved ones, friends have lost friends and yet others still feel the need to go around and making smart remarks.....

R.I.P to all those killed in the 2 plane crashes this week in Ireland and Switzerland.
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I don't get the internet persona of some people! 2 horrible plane crashes in 2 different countries within the same week where people have lost their lives, family members have lost loved ones, friends have lost friends and yet others still feel the need to go around and making smart remarks.....

R.I.P to all those killed in the 2 plane crashes this week in Ireland and Switzerland.
Well put Travnett ... are you really an aircraft engineer?!
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Re: Val d'Anniviers Airplane Crash * update *

I just said that they weren't similar fer heaven's sake...what is it with you people? Dog and bone comes to mind.....

As a pilot I naturally feel badly about any crash, in fact as a human I feel badly about any loss of life. It was not a smart remark. I merely pointed out that, from a formal point of view both crashes were very different. I agree that they are similar in that both involved aircraft and both, unfortunately, involved loss of life. There was no lack of respect on my part intended.

And now, may I humbly suggest that we give it a rest? Or, if a mod will allow me, I will delete my post and the mod can delete the subsequent ones.
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Well put Travnett ... are you really an aircraft engineer?!
Yes I am really an Aircraft Engineer, and snoopy I wasn't having a dig at you cause your the pilot and i'm the engineer, even though we engineers take a lot of crap from Pilots I respect your last comment I leave it at that.

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There was a category 2 fog in the area at the time. He told RTE Radio that the plane tried to approach two other runways, before attempting a third approach on Runway 17. “It crashed on the Western side of the runway,” he said.
Visibility was very poor but all of the instruments were functioning properly, he added.
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Perhaps it might help to explain that, typically, "The Book" says three approach attempts, and then it's time to head to (divert to) one's alternate (i.e. somewhee with better conditions).

Having missed two approaches, there is an incredible amount of pressure (commercial/professional) on the pilots to "make this one work". Sadly, sometimes it ends like this. Just like the one that took out most of the Polish government last year.

Was it similar to the private aircraft piling in in Switzerland - YES!

Both were what is termed CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) - sadly, it kills professionals (and their passengers) and amateurs (and their passengers) alike. Turns out, the ground you hit has absoltutely no respect for your qualifications, ratings or experience - and dead is dead.

Like the professional, the "private" pilot would probably have had a set of pressures on him too.

What's quite nice for me, when I'm flying as SLC (Self-Loading Cargo), and I get diverted to somewhere else, is that I just think "Hey, they reallllllyyy wanted to get me there, but they couldn't, so I'd rather be in another place, waiting for another flight or a coach, than them picking what bits they can find of my remains out of the ground with a small trowel..."


And, yes, I'm a pilot, not an engineer.

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Re: Val d'Anniviers Airplane Crash * update *

In a night of insomnia I found this thread...thanks guys and well my 5 cents is that ok maybe the circumstances were not comparable and to a person who knows more about planes and "all that" the comparison might be ridiculous - given- Still people died and that is sad...
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Said news indeed and no need to be pedantic and particular about nature of the catastrophies which claimed so many lives. RIP
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As a pilot I think the comparison is fairly stupid, but whatever......
Sorry, snoopy, I mised this earlier - are you a professional pilot or private?

I'm curious, cos absolutely none of the pilots I know (professional(military/civilian) or private) - would ever give the Kevin response ("whatever") that you did...

Jus' sayin'...

Looking forward to your reply...
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Tragic. My heart goes to their families...
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Re: Val d'Anniviers Airplane Crash * update *

This Thread is a good example of members talking the same language but not talking the same language.

If a member of ones family was on board a plane which crashed, this 'who is more accurate in their terminology' could be terribly hurtful. On the other hand, nothing we say, or don't say, will bring the people back to life.
I, for one, was quite interested to read of the pressure on the pilot after two failed attempts to land. Something I'd never really thought about.

In future, it might help to remember that others reading the posts are looking at the situation from a different angle with a different 'book of knowledge' in their backpack. Even from a phrasing angle, what for one is 'just saying' is for another member unfeeling in the extreme.

And this, in Longbyt language, means discuss the two accidents, causes and repercussions, if you like, but no personal remarks please.
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Similar? One was an airliner (small, but commercial nonetheless) and the other was private. One was actually aiming at the runway and one hit a mountain.
Just how similar were these two accidents? Ok, they both had propellors...Not a good time to be in a plane?
You should try and get a job with the Daily Mail.....
and how high above sea-level is Cork ?







That both accidents caused death and horror to the victims of course is tragic, but not a common
aspect really. Sure, deadly accidents always are sad and utterly regrettable.

But back to the topic, the height above sea-level in aviation, and particularily in aircraft
accident is a top important factor.
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