I am happy to see this thread.... Because last week, I received a letter with my name and address written by hand from a lady who wants to convert me to Christianity.... How did she get my address and name.... mystery.
Me? Joining the Infidel's church?
Allah Allah!
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Well, that's not hard to do, as the UDC is hardly as far right as everyone makes them out be.
Tom
In your part of Switzerland. In Ticino, all nutters go into this "Lega dei Ticinese". Here in Zurich, the same people would join the SVP, so the Zurich SVP is very different from the TI one.
On a sidenote: National - Umweltbewusst - Sozial. They have been picking keywords from the whole political spectrum it seems!
I wouldn't agree. SD have been saying this for a long time, far longer than the SVP actually, but were never especially succesful. The SVP stole their concept and perfectioned it, stelaing their support base and growing it. Meanwhile the SD is fading to insignificance and largely occupied with infighting. Compare it to BNP vs UKIP.
In your part of Switzerland. In Ticino, all nutters go into this "Lega dei Ticinese". Here in Zurich, the same people would join the SVP, so the Zurich SVP is very different from the TI one.
Why is it always presumed that right-wingers are, somehow, 'nutters'?
Some people have very good reasons for holding the political beliefs that they do. Must all political debate be reduced to 'our side are sensible/they're all nutters'?
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Why is it always presumed that right-wingers are, somehow, 'nutters'?
Some people have very good reasons for holding the political beliefs that they do. Must all political debate be reduced to 'our side are sensible/they're all nutters'?
Sorry, maybe I need to clarify this: I have met very conservative people, some having "medium" high positions within the SVP - and they were not nutters. The "Lega" in Ticino however is not "conservative", they are extreme. Not quite sure extreme what, but from my point of view nutters - their positions are so far out of the acceptable, that I do not need to discuss them. The SD is the same: Do we really need to discuss weather or not there are Muslim extremists currently taking over Switzerland? If we never see veiled women, they probably hardly exist here.
And yes, in the local SVP here in Zurich, the same extreme people that in other parts of the country go to the Lega or SD are attracted by the SVP. Not by the traditional farming community within the party, but a handfull of populists who actively try to motivate the right wing extreme to come and vote for them.
Absolutely. A foreigner supporting a right wing extemists' party that uses and abuses foreigners as scapegoats for anything is indeed a nutter in my eyes.
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Why is it always presumed that right-wingers are, somehow, 'nutters'?
Some people have very good reasons for holding the political beliefs that they do. Must all political debate be reduced to 'our side are sensible/they're all nutters'?
- so far examples are about "extreme-right-wingers" but nutters are also "extreme left wingers"
- history has shown that extreme-right-wingers play on fear, ignorance, populism and demagogy to get the votes. All of these are non-rational arguments to get votes (invasion, burka's everywhere, minarets everywhere, no votes for women etc......).
In a nutshell, for their political beliefs they have reasons that the reason does not accept.
Why is it always presumed that right-wingers are, somehow, 'nutters'?
Some people have very good reasons for holding the political beliefs that they do. Must all political debate be reduced to 'our side are sensible/they're all nutters'?
This is true, to an extent, but in the context of the hyper right wing and the Nazis... these people are nutters, and Cameron and his ilk in the centre right are still far removed from the campaigners for a 'white Switzerland free of outsiders'. David Cameron and central right politicians are not fascists and can't really be lumped together with the 'Neos'.
Although you do hit upon a few grains of truth, as with all of these extremist parties/ factions they immediately and abruptly address real problems, but these 'red hand of ulster' style political expedients are ultimately doomed to cause greater problems in the long-run.
Propaganda and jingoism fuel strident political movements and mobilise people for revolution, but they fail to explore the problems in detail, racism and phony science is always going to be a fallacious political position, unless you are using the position for your own personal gain.
Why is it always presumed that right-wingers are, somehow, 'nutters'?
Some people have very good reasons for holding the political beliefs that they do. Must all political debate be reduced to 'our side are sensible/they're all nutters'?
There are right wingers, and .. right wingers. The 'nutter' comment is not automatic - but often has to come when you look at their posters and propaganda. Compare for instance the conservative Party and the EDL - not quite the same thing, is it.
Treverus if you look at membership of the NF in the South of France, a large proportion are 3rd generation immigrants. Same here with the UDC/SVP.
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Not going to comment on the political side, or religious side. I have seen what can happen to ef'ers that do that... However, why is it that this is the only rule Swissies know how to break?! My letterbox also has the "no advertisements" sign on, and yet every week is is chalk full of JUNK!
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Well, that's not hard to do, as the UDC is hardly as far right as everyone makes them out be.
Tom
One's view of how far right the SVP is, is proportionate to how far left one is. The SVP has a broad platform that get supported by smaller right wing parties, like the SD, when particular issues polarize to a single Yes/No vote.
On the moderate side of the SVP, there are some common sense issues that I support it on at times. It doesn't mean I take on the party's ideology for myself. That is how Swiss politics works. We don't check our heads in at the door when voting, we decide the merits of an issue and vote our conscience.
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Why is it always presumed that right-wingers are, somehow, 'nutters'?
Some people have very good reasons for holding the political beliefs that they do. Must all political debate be reduced to 'our side are sensible/they're all nutters'?
Is that only here?
As in isn't the "nutters" turn of phrase levelled at left-wingers as well if the UK is anything to go by?
Am not a political animal, it's just a question and nothing more.
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